Syria

[Jembo]

Given all the political lies over the years, you ought to be thanking the Russians for exercising restraint as their intel is probably far more reliable than what's shown in the tabloid press

 

[Izice]

I think once we have facts (not here-say), action should be taken to stop the perpetrators killing more civilians


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Yeah true but can you see the hypocrisy.

Phosphorus used in the Gaza Strip....no western intervention.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israeli_military_confirms_the_use_of_white_phosphorus_bombs_in_the_Gaza_Strip

Agent orange used in Vietnam...no western intervention.

Iraq and Sadam used chemical weapons supplied by UK again Iran... Knowingly and helped by USA.
Iraq used mustard gas and sarin in early 1988 in four major offensives which helped bring about the end of the eight-year conflict.
During the whole war, up to 20,000 Iranian troops were killed by mustard gas and nerve agents from Iraq and 100,000 were wounded.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402174/CIA-helped-Saddam-Hussein-carry-chemical-weapons-attack-Iran-1988-Ronald-Reagan.html

US used white phosporous as a chemical weapon in Falluja Iraq.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/nov/15/usa.iraq

What difference is their from being killed up by artillery or being killed by chemical weapon? 90,000 people have died so far in the Syrian conflict.

The western obssession with the use of chemical weapons by a country who hasnt signed the international agreement to not use them....is no reason to start the process which could easily lead to World War 3 and destroy any hopes i have of being able to fuel my car.

 

[Izice]

Hah this thread..

A few points..

I don't care who you are, or what your opinion is.. 100k civilians dead? someone needs to do something. fact. There are snipers shooting at children on a daily basis in parts of Aleppo.

I know a few Syrian nationals, who happen to live in London but basically all send money back to Syria. They say it's now a case of neither side is better than the other, Assad was terrible, but now there's Al Qaeda mixed in with the rebels the majority civilian body supports neither. Assad needs to go, but leaving the country without leadership and government for the likes of large global terror organisations to take hold is not an option, and would likely lead to a worse situation.

Air strikes seem pretty pointless, the evidence so far suggests chemical weapons were fired using Iranian shells, they're not dropped from air assets.. so bombing airfields and military bases is largely useless... unless you bomb them all, and assume they never have any weapons outside military bases.

The French and the Arab League (oh you need to buy more oil Mr Obama?) are sat back poking 'The West' (UK & USA) to do something, unwilling to step in themselves. The only good outcome would be UN peacekeeping intervention, or at least NATO - but the UN has allowed 100k deaths so far, and no evidence they collect from weapons inspectors will prove who launched the weapons (don't forget.. this could just be Al Qaeda setting off bombs) so i doubt they'll do anything fast enough.

The US can't be seen to be arming rebels much more than they already are as they're essentially giving guns to Al Qaeda, so the CIA have been lightly orchestrating this through the Saudis and Jordan, with wedges of ex-Chechen conflict equipment. Equally with Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, China all backing Assad we can't do anything Iraq style.

At the end of the day, i don't want the UK involved in any more conflicts than we have to and i really think the UN needs to do something, but i'm not happy that 100 thousand.. one hundred thousand.. people are dead, and nobody has done a thing about it. If we do nothing, the death toll WILL rise, no plan will ever be perfect and without unwanted casualties but we may be able to do something to stop this.

With regards to the Daily Mail conspiracy theorist.. you made me chuckle, but i guess if you think there's any truth to it, ring the journalist!

Yeah something has to be done.

Conspiracy theorist lol because flase flag attacks have never happened historically?

 

[Bing]

Just been reading the latest on the BBC website. Question occurred to me - if the US performed 'surgical strikes' from their fleet in the Med, do you think the Syrians would shoot back ?

 

[ronk]

Topple the regime and have yet another bunch of Muslim Radicals in power? Then what?

Afraid there's no easy answer - We all base our opinions on the opinions of the press.

 

[Darren Slone]

I've only just caught up with this thread and from what I've seen reported then I feel that some military intervention is justified, you can't use chemical weapons on your own people and not expect any consequence.

 

[aquazi]

Actually reading some of these (fascinating) points reminded me of the museum i went to in Vietnam.

Showed the affects (still felt) by agent orange... Damaging the dna, which is genetically passed on to generations of families.

A bit of sarin/ mustard gass doesnt seem so bad compared to this!

As for white phosphorous... It literally melts bone... Where was the intervention with israel?

Just seems a little hypocritical really... Intervention in the syrian instance, but not when its the western alley!

Either way i hope the bloodshed of innocent people used as human shields stops... Its not right, especially when women and children are victims.


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[original guvnor]

I wondered how long it would take for the conspiracy theorists to turn up and blame everything on the Americans (again).

Usual sniping comment of no value...go back to sleep gumbo.

Well that got a bite. Congratulations, gullible as well as deluded.

 

[pvr]

Topple the regime and have yet another bunch of Muslim Radicals in power? Then what?

The usual, trying to get the country back 2000 years or so and attack those that tried to help them. They do not have the same norms and values as us, so trying to help them might not be something they actually want.

 

[kartman]

problem is noone wants this mess actually resolved...

special opps is the way to go i guess.

 

[Izice]

Topple the regime and have yet another bunch of Muslim Radicals in power? Then what?

Afraid there's no easy answer - We all base our opinions on the opinions of the press.

I dont

 

[Izice]

I wondered how long it would take for the conspiracy theorists to turn up and blame everything on the Americans (again).

Usual sniping comment of no value...go back to sleep gumbo.

Well that got a bite. Congratulations, gullible as well as deluded.

Touche ya numpty

 

[TitanTim]

Personally if its clearly proven then bomb the hell out of em, heart of the Gov't, military sites etc, no half measures, only way to show it won't be tolerated. The only worry is more civilian casualities as these so called surgical strikes are always hit and miss in populated areas.

Someone mentioned mustard gas earlier, my grandad was gassed at the Somme, he was very lucky but it still scarred the lungs and he was never well until he died in 1970, all wars get dirty

Tim.

 

[jimmybell]

Just been reading the latest on the BBC website. Question occurred to me - if the US performed 'surgical strikes' from their fleet in the Med, do you think the Syrians would shoot back ?

The Ruskies have sold Syria 20+ missiles specifically for this purpose, they're specifically designed as NATO ship killers. Not sure how accurate this is but just a quick google result to give you an idea: http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920604001374

 

[domsz4]

Topple the regime and have yet another bunch of Muslim Radicals in power? Then what?

Afraid there's no easy answer - We all base our opinions on the opinions of the press.

I dont

So if you don't read the press then where do you get your opinion from? You've already quoted the daily mail and the guardian
Granted the papers are not always non biased but they are the only source of info we have. We could read press from othe countries, maybe pick up a few feeds for news etc but what's to say they are not bias either?

I watched a clip of a little boy crying that he'd been split from his parents after his dad tried to save him. It could have been rigged I guess just as easy as tony Blair lied about the wmd's

One thing is for certain until an team if international scientists and observers can investigate then no one will know. Last report I read the Assad bunch were still denying access so what are they hiding? If the rebels did it to themselves (which is entirely possible) in the hope of gaining favour then they would be opening the door for the inspectors with open arms and assads bunch wouldn't stop them.

 

[corsaire77]

I hope that no BMW vehicles will be damaged during the air raids.

 

[Izice]

Topple the regime and have yet another bunch of Muslim Radicals in power? Then what?

Afraid there's no easy answer - We all base our opinions on the opinions of the press.

I dont

So if you don't read the press then where do you get your opinion from? You've already quoted the daily mail and the guardian
Granted the papers are not always non biased but they are the only source of info we have. We could read press from othe countries, maybe pick up a few feeds for news etc but what's to say they are not bias either?

I watched a clip of a little boy crying that he'd been split from his parents after his dad tried to save him. It could have been rigged I guess just as easy as tony Blair lied about the wmd's

One thing is for certain until an team if international scientists and observers can investigate then no one will know. Last report I read the Assad bunch were still denying access so what are they hiding? If the rebels did it to themselves (which is entirely possible) in the hope of gaining favour then they would be opening the door for the inspectors with open arms and assads bunch wouldn't stop them.

Eh..from the internet and speaking to real people. Oh and reading between the lines and making my own mind up. Not accepting what is reported as absoulute truth.....contrary to what thee guv thinks not being gullible.

You really think it was the Assad bunch taking pot shots at the inspecters cars...lol

The same farce with inspectors took place during Iraq its just another step towards the predetermined plan.....Iran next.

 

[teamemmenracing]

Just thinking out loud here after reading all the posts .......

If the UK decides to drop bombs on Syria, regardless of the justification (justification will always be an opinion and will change dependant on the point of view) .......

........ would it be ok for Syria to detonate bombs in London in self defence (again the justification woul be in their opinion .....)

Comments ? .............


Im thinking along the lines that if someone raped my daughter for example because he thought she deserved it ...... I would without doubt kill the fecker ....... and argue all day long that I felt justified

 

[Stuart Truman]

I hope that no BMW vehicles will be damaged during the air raids.

I'm surprised nobody has suggested bombing/invading the US (dear prism reader, this is humour, not to be taken seriously)

Has oil - check
Has wmd - check
Has used them on civilians - double check. Japan and Vietnam for sure and maybe Korea)

Ok lads, form a posse. We're going in!

I'd rather be sending from an iPhone on Tapatalk than this piece of crap Android device...

 

[aquazi]

Just thinking out loud here after reading all the posts .......

If the UK decides to drop bombs on Syria, regardless of the justification (justification will always be an opinion and will change dependant on the point of view) .......

........ would it be ok for Syria to detonate bombs in London in self defence (again the justification woul be in their opinion .....)

Comments ? .............


Im thinking along the lines that if someone raped my daughter for example because he thought she deserved it ...... I would without doubt kill the fecker ....... and argue all day long that I felt justified

Interesting... Eye for an eye... I'd say they could justify it... Doubt they have the means... So they would have to chum up to a bigger more powerful friend and be their puppet first.. Like russia.