Swiped by a lane cutter

Fair enough re removing the details.

Personally I am quite submissive when it comes to disagreements on the road. Years of riding motorcycles has made me this way. It's no use to me being "right" if I'm also dead.
 
Bing said:
Sometimes it's also necessary to remember that you don't need to be 1 or 2 cars up the queue either. Let's not be all coy and innocent, we've all been 'that tw@t' :wink: :D

...true :evil:
 
I can see this thread at the point where there are no pictures to see, but that's ok.

In your defence, you can simply say to the insurance company:

I can see forward through the windscreen. Is it more likely that I drove forward, intentionally driving into the back of him, incurring costs to myself and ruining my pride and joy; or that he cut in dangerously, misjudged the size of the gap between me and the car in front, and I didn't have chance to move?

Logic will win in the end.
 
If there were two lanes approaching the mini-roundabout then the right hand lane was for vehicles turning right and the left hand lane was for those vehicles going straight ahead, in accordance with the Highway Code convention as I was taught back in 1964. Therefore the OP, in my opinion, was in the wrong lane and should have given way to the Volvo driver who was in the correct position.
 
Lillywhite said:
If there were two lanes approaching the mini-roundabout then the right hand lane was for vehicles turning right and the left hand lane was for those vehicles going straight ahead, in accordance with the Highway Code convention. Therefore, the OP in my opinion was in the wrong lane and should have given way to the Volvo driver who was in the correct position.

Not necessarily true... I have mini roundabouts near my work in Burton where the left lane is filtered on the ground to go left only, and the right lane is for straight.. And a number of times people have gone in the wrong left lane (accidentally) wanting to go straight and blown a horn at me for doing the right thing!

I'll side with you bluestreak... Although sadly i think it will go their way as they are in front!


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aquazi said:
Lillywhite said:
If there were two lanes approaching the mini-roundabout then the right hand lane was for vehicles turning right and the left hand lane was for those vehicles going straight ahead, in accordance with the Highway Code convention. Therefore, the OP in my opinion was in the wrong lane and should have given way to the Volvo driver who was in the correct position.

Not necessarily true... I have mini roundabouts near my work in Burton where the left lane is filtered on the ground to go left only, and the right lane is for straight.. And a number of times people have gone in the wrong left lane (accidentally) wanting to go straight and blown a horn at me for doing the right thing!

OK I'll accept that but in the absence of any road markings to the contrary, rules 184-6, what I posted before is correct. This has always held me in good stead in nearly 50 years of driving. :wink:
 
Lillywhite said:
aquazi said:
Lillywhite said:
If there were two lanes approaching the mini-roundabout then the right hand lane was for vehicles turning right and the left hand lane was for those vehicles going straight ahead, in accordance with the Highway Code convention. Therefore, the OP in my opinion was in the wrong lane and should have given way to the Volvo driver who was in the correct position.

Not necessarily true... I have mini roundabouts near my work in Burton where the left lane is filtered on the ground to go left only, and the right lane is for straight.. And a number of times people have gone in the wrong left lane (accidentally) wanting to go straight and blown a horn at me for doing the right thing!

OK I'll accept that but in the absence of any road markings to the contrary, rules 184-6, what I posted before is correct. This has always held me in good stead in nearly 50 years of driving. :wink:

Sorry i was being facetious! You're point is quite right!


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Lillywhite said:
If there were two lanes approaching the mini-roundabout then the right hand lane was for vehicles turning right and the left hand lane was for those vehicles going straight ahead, in accordance with the Highway Code convention as I was taught back in 1964. Therefore the OP, in my opinion, was in the wrong lane and should have given way to the Volvo driver who was in the correct position.

Not wishing to be overly contrary, but that is not exactly what those rules say - loosely they say if you are taking the first exit, stay in the left hand lane, if you are going right or full circle stay in the right hand lane. For everything else use an appropriate lane (full wording below).

When you have two lanes on and two off, it is OK to go straight ahead in the outside lane. When you have two lanes on, one lane off, my interpretation would be that you are OK to go straight ahead in either lane, but follow the rules of merging lanes at the appropriate time.

Doesn't really help the OP as it becomes a question about whether the merging lanes rules were followed (and they are vague at best), something along the lines of - it would be nice to alternate, but only if it is safe.

As I say, I don't mean to be contrary, but I do wonder how many of these types of incidents are down to both parties believing their understanding of road rules is the correct one.

Highway Code said:
184

On approaching a roundabout take notice and act on all the information available to you, including traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings which direct you into the correct lane. You should

use Mirrors – Signal – Manoeuvre at all stages
decide as early as possible which exit you need to take
give an appropriate signal (see Rule 186, below). Time your signals so as not to confuse other road users
get into the correct lane
adjust your speed and position to fit in with traffic conditions
be aware of the speed and position of all the road users around you.

185

When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all
look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off.

Highway Code - Rule 185 Follow The Correct Procedure At Roundabouts
186

Signals and position. When taking the first exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
you should not normally need to signal on approach
stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.
187

In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to

pedestrians who may be crossing the approach and exit roads
traffic crossing in front of you on the roundabout, especially vehicles intending to leave by the next exit
traffic which may be straddling lanes or positioned incorrectly
motorcyclists
cyclists and horse riders who may stay in the left-hand lane and signal right if they intend to continue round the roundabout. Allow them to do so
long vehicles (including those towing trailers). These might have to take a different course or straddle lanes either approaching or on the roundabout because of their length. Watch out for their signals.

188

Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)
189

At double mini-roundabouts treat each roundabout separately and give way to traffic from the right.
190

Multiple roundabouts. At some complex junctions, there may be a series of mini-roundabouts at each intersection. Treat each mini-roundabout separately and follow the normal rules.
 
It's not a problem when there are two lanes on and two lanes off where the lanes are clearly separated but two lanes on and one off is the one that creates the problem when the driver in the right lane converges on the driver in the left hand lane and that's the point that the Highway Code deals with. This is a particular problem on a roundabout near where I live.
 
Lillywhite said:
It's not a problem when there are two lanes on and two lanes off where the lanes are clearly separated but two lanes on and one off is the one that creates the problem when the driver in the right lane converges on the driver in the left hand lane and that's the point that the Highway Code deals with. This is a particular problem on a roundabout near where I live.

I agree that that is the problem here (lane discipline whilst crossing a roundabout is another matter). What I don't agree with is your previous assessment of two lanes on, one lane off means that you HAVE to be in the left lane to go straight ahead. Unless I am missing something, that is not explicit within the highway code.

Lillywhite said:
If there were two lanes approaching the mini-roundabout then the right hand lane was for vehicles turning right and the left hand lane was for those vehicles going straight ahead, in accordance with the Highway Code convention

That said, I am completely open to the idea that I am wrong. The point I was trying to make is that two reasonable non-road-rage-incident-suffering adults can have slightly different interpretations of the same rules of the road, and I was wondering how many of these types of incidents might be down to that, rather than someone disregarding the rules?
 
Lillywhite said:
The Highway Code has diagrams that accompany Rules 184 -190 to amplify the rules. :wink:

You think this one diagram covers ALL roundabout rules?

hc_rule_185_follow_the_correct_procedure_at_roundabouts.jpg


My view would be this is one example... and the wording is a lot more detailed.

That said - my point stands that two normal folk can have a different view of rules.

*EDIT*

Incidentally, I think your interpretation is also reasonable. Mine just differs, that's all
 
My own particular rr incident was a long time ago. I got carved up by some twonk who I proceeded to flip the bird to and thought no more of it. He however took umbrage and pursued me for some distance then got out of his car at lights and started to walk purposefully towards me.

I was somewhat more hot headed at the time and decided if pugilism was what he wanted, pugilism was what he was going to get. He was a bit of a short arse and I was in an Astra and had the seat low so probably also looked like a bit of a shorty.

I opened the door, unfolded my 6'4 frame (I've genuinely shrunk since) and he took one look at me and bolted :D
 
Stuart Truman said:
My own particular rr incident was a long time ago. I got carved up by some twonk who I proceeded to flip the bird to and thought no more of it. He however took umbrage and pursued me for some distance then got out of his car at lights and started to walk purposefully towards me.

I was somewhat more hot headed at the time and decided if pugilism was what he wanted, pugilism was what he was going to get. He was a bit of a short arse and I was in an Astra and had the seat low so probably also looked like a bit of a shorty.

I opened the door, unfolded my 6'4 frame (I've genuinely shrunk since) and he took one look at me and bolted :D

Ha Classic :D :thumbsup:
 
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