Surprised with falling E89 used values

[mr wilks]

Dated, but relevant discussion of the Z4 pricing and demand issues:

http://www.car-revs-daily.com/2014/02/05/curious-case-bmw-z4-disappearing-sales-70k-pricing-germany-assembly-partly-responsible/

Hard to disagree with any of that although for me as a current owner none of it makes it a bad car to own or drive :wink:
Just don't expect it to feel like a 2 seater sports car as the E85 does & above all study prices/trim/engines hard before you throw your ££ on the table as shifting it on soon after may cause tears

 

[Pastry]

Dated, but relevant discussion of the Z4 pricing and demand issues:

http://www.car-revs-daily.com/2014/02/05/curious-case-bmw-z4-disappearing-sales-70k-pricing-germany-assembly-partly-responsible/

Hard to disagree with any of that although for me as a current owner none of it makes it a bad car to own or drive :wink:
Just don't expect it to feel like a 2 seater sports car as the E85 does & above all study prices/trim/engines hard before you throw your ££ on the table as shifting it on son after may cause tears

Do you think the US market is really relevant to the uk?
Youve only got to look at their own cars to know taste isn't one of their strong points..

 

[mr wilks]

Dated, but relevant discussion of the Z4 pricing and demand issues:

http://www.car-revs-daily.com/2014/02/05/curious-case-bmw-z4-disappearing-sales-70k-pricing-germany-assembly-partly-responsible/

Hard to disagree with any of that although for me as a current owner none of it makes it a bad car to own or drive :wink:
Just don't expect it to feel like a 2 seater sports car as the E85 does & above all study prices/trim/engines hard before you throw your ££ on the table as shifting it on son after may cause tears

Do you think the US market is really relevant to the uk?
Youve only got to look at their own cars to know taste isn't one of their strong points..

Id say the comments were reflective of the E89 no matter what side of the atlantic you sleep :? they are way too pricey list price new & the dismal residuals reflect that , they are still not holding value & continue to freefall seemingly without any reflection of the seasonal price swing
I have one , id love them to be in demand & rising in value but reality is there are too many for sale for the number of buyers & that will only end up one way

 

[pvr]

The huge discount on the new ones do not particularly help. The top model to be had for 36k new means that everything else is pushed downwards as well.

 

[mr wilks]

The huge discount on the new ones do not particularly help. The top model to be had for 36k new means that everything else is pushed downwards as well.

This is true , all things said the E89 does offer much for its money & pound for pound I can't find a alternative that's in the same league for the same ££

 

[Pastry]

Hard to disagree with any of that although for me as a current owner none of it makes it a bad car to own or drive :wink:
Just don't expect it to feel like a 2 seater sports car as the E85 does & above all study prices/trim/engines hard before you throw your ££ on the table as shifting it on son after may cause tears

Do you think the US market is really relevant to the uk?
Youve only got to look at their own cars to know taste isn't one of their strong points..

Id say the comments were reflective of the E89 no matter what side of the atlantic you sleep :? they are way too pricey list price new & the dismal residuals reflect that , they are still not holding value & continue to freefall seemingly without any reflection of the seasonal price swing
I have one , id love them to be in demand & rising in value but reality is there are too many for sale for the number of buyers & that will only end up one way

That's a real shame as I love mine. You know what I paid for it and it's loads of motor for the money. If it drops much more it will be E85 money and that would just be wrong! p

 

[pvr]

In many cases it is already below E85 money though.

I wonder if the replacement will have a better result and not haemorrhage money.

 

[john-e89]

If I had any sense I'd bin mine for a TVR Griff or escort cosworth to stop the free fall, both these are rising at a silly rate.

 

[pvr]

If I had any sense I'd bin mine for a TVR Griff or escort cosworth to stop the free fall, both these are rising at a silly rate.

Somehow I can't see you in the Tesco carpark at night with your Escort though. :lol:

 

[Pastry]

If I had any sense I'd bin mine for a TVR Griff or escort cosworth to stop the free fall, both these are rising at a silly rate.

Somehow I can't see you in the Tesco carpark at night with your Escort though. :lol:

 

[mr wilks]

Do you think the US market is really relevant to the uk?
Youve only got to look at their own cars to know taste isn't one of their strong points..

Id say the comments were reflective of the E89 no matter what side of the atlantic you sleep :? they are way too pricey list price new & the dismal residuals reflect that , they are still not holding value & continue to freefall seemingly without any reflection of the seasonal price swing
I have one , id love them to be in demand & rising in value but reality is there are too many for sale for the number of buyers & that will only end up one way

That's a real shame as I love mine. You know what I paid for it and it's loads of motor for the money. If it drops much more it will be E85 money and that would just be wrong! p

I wouldn't flap , i suspect you've had enough cars to know a what represents good value plus you're into a good model at the right money so enjoy it but be wary its unlikely to hold value if you sit on it more than 18months/2 years :?
The fudging of numbers from E85s to E89s is relatively new so may take time to settle into predictable territory & until it does it makes interesting times for those who enjoy the whole Z scene

 

[john-e89]

If I had any sense I'd bin mine for a TVR Griff or escort cosworth to stop the free fall, both these are rising at a silly rate.

Somehow I can't see you in the Tesco carpark at night with your Escort though. :lol:

You're probably right PVR, I look rubbish in Burberry... :roll:

 

[Smartbear]

Id say the comments were reflective of the E89 no matter what side of the atlantic you sleep :? they are way too pricey list price new & the dismal residuals reflect that , they are still not holding value & continue to freefall seemingly without any reflection of the seasonal price swing
I have one , id love them to be in demand & rising in value but reality is there are too many for sale for the number of buyers & that will only end up one way

That's a real shame as I love mine. You know what I paid for it and it's loads of motor for the money. If it drops much more it will be E85 money and that would just be wrong! p

I wouldn't flap , i suspect you've had enough cars to know a what represents good value plus you're into a good model at the right money so enjoy it but be wary its unlikely to hold value if you sit on it more than 18months/2 years :?
The fudging of numbers from E85s to E89s is relatively new so may take time to settle into predictable territory & until it does it makes interesting times for those who enjoy the whole Z scene

I must admit I've had itchy fingers & have been looking at e89's recently, ive been lucky with my last few cars and haven't lost any money on them-I got my si for a good price just over 2 years ago and don't think its dropped very much.
I'm not sure about the e89 though, im sure its a nicer car but I don't want to buy into something that sheds its value overnight :?
Maybe il stick with my si, its fast & doesn't stand me in a fortune
Rob

 

[mr wilks]

Smart words mr Bear , as you know the Si's are pretty predictable to value , the 89s not so easy & by comparison seem to hang around for months before they sell as opposed to weeks :?
That will change with a rapid swing imo when the masses discover the later model is so much better for not much more £

 

[Smartbear]

Smart words mr Bear , as you know the Si's are pretty predictable to value , the 89s not so easy & by comparison seem to hang around for months before they sell as opposed to weeks :?
That will change with a rapid swing imo when the masses discover the later model is so much better for not much more £

Mr Wilks-does the lesser power of the 23i make itself obvious compared to a facelift 3litre or is normal day to day driving pretty similar?
The 30i seems to be a lot dearer leaving the 23i as a reasonably priced car but is it at a high price of missing driving enjoyment?
I do like the way my car picks its skirt up & flies when I overtake things
Rob

 

[mr wilks]

Smart words mr Bear , as you know the Si's are pretty predictable to value , the 89s not so easy & by comparison seem to hang around for months before they sell as opposed to weeks :?
That will change with a rapid swing imo when the masses discover the later model is so much better for not much more £

Mr Wilks-does the lesser power of the 23i make itself obvious compared to a facelift 3litre or is normal day to day driving pretty similar?
The 30i seems to be a lot dearer leaving the 23i as a reasonably priced car but is it at a high price of missing driving enjoyment?
I do like the way my car picks its skirt up & flies when I overtake things
Rob

Of all Zs ive had the 3.0Si is the one that does it all with zero fuss & minimum costs
I wouldn't lie , the overtakes in the 23i need to be calculated whereas the Si its merely a risk ( & the ///M was just a laugh)
As you note day-to-day the 200bhp is ample , come the weekend come the hoon you just need practice & you need to work the revs that bit harder
Last Sunday I was out with 5 other Zs with mine the least powerful & off the front had no problem keeping ahead , if I was in a Si or M I would most likely just have been a little more ahead as there is no opportunity to go flat out where i'm sure the 23i would be left watching

 

[Rathean]

I wouldn't lie , the overtakes in the 23i need to be calculated whereas the Si its merely a risk ( & the ///M was just a laugh)
As you note day-to-day the 200bhp is ample , come the weekend come the hoon you just need practice & you need to work the revs that bit harder
Last Sunday I was out with 5 other Zs with mine the least powerful & off the front had no problem keeping ahead , if I was in a Si or M I would most likely just have been a little more ahead as there is no opportunity to go flat out where i'm sure the 23i would be left watching

I agree, my 23i MSport Highline had it all, it was a cracking car and accomplished every-day motor. But, even in Sport mode it left me wanting a bit more especially on over-takes. Now I'm in a 35i its over in a blink and I'm just thinking about road positioning.

 

[Pastry]

I wouldn't lie , the overtakes in the 23i need to be calculated whereas the Si its merely a risk ( & the ///M was just a laugh)
As you note day-to-day the 200bhp is ample , come the weekend come the hoon you just need practice & you need to work the revs that bit harder
Last Sunday I was out with 5 other Zs with mine the least powerful & off the front had no problem keeping ahead , if I was in a Si or M I would most likely just have been a little more ahead as there is no opportunity to go flat out where i'm sure the 23i would be left watching

I agree, my 23i MSport Highline had it all, it was a cracking car and accomplished every-day motor. But, even in Sport mode it left me wanting a bit more especially on over-takes. Now I'm in a 35i its over in a blink and I'm just thinking about road positioning.

I also wish for a little more oomph sometimes but it doesn't stop me enjoying the car. In fact I enjoy working the revs that bit more and if I did the same in a 35i, my licence and I would soon be parted :?

 

[pvr]

Ah, but you could also say that taking a longer time to overtake means you are longer exceeding the limit and therefor increasing the risk of getting caught

 

[Pastry]

Ah, but you could also say that taking a longer time to overtake means you are longer exceeding the limit and therefor increasing the risk of getting caught

If my experience with owning a Z3M is anything to go by, you just overtake two cars instead of one