Such a shame...

Jas667

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Such a shame. I really think there should be something like a bhp limit for new drivers. They do it with motorbikes so why not cars? 500bhp and an 18 year old is not a good idea, I was bad enough with a bloody 1.4 Corsa
 
Jas667 said:
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Such a shame. I really think there should be something like a bhp limit for new drivers. They do it with motorbikes so why not cars? 500bhp and an 18 year old is not a good idea, I was bad enough with a bloody 1.4 Corsa

I concur, in the US there are no limits on engine cc size on motorcycles, almost every weekend some teenager kills himself on a liter bike because it gets away from them. They may be fun to drive/ride, but they are not toys
 
Don't mind us, Jas667. We're a little kooky sometimes. :dizzy:

Seriously, though, the kid got what was coming to him. Unfortunately he couldn't live to learn from his experiences. But the rest of us can.
 
Such a waste of life,


In The UK there are no new drive BHP restrictions (except bikes as mentioned) the only restriction is insurance companies, I know from trying to get insurance on my daughters first car ( a ford KA), it was dear enough with some insurance Co`s refusing to quote on "new drivers", I cant imagine any insurance Co insuring a younster in a M5, but i guess if parents are rich enough you can get anything,, the question is what the hell were they thinking to let him drive it in the first place?
 
This is a sad and unfortunate tragedy that could have been avoided. I am a private attorney in the Chicago area and serve as a Special Prosecutor prosecuting DUIs and serious traffic cases. It is amazing the number of cases involving minors under the age of 21. Although many state laws regarding minor drivers are getting more strict, these types of tragedies will continue to occur. Educating minor drivers starts at home and it is up to the parents and guardians to make responsible choices. In my opinion, it was irresponsible for that child's parent to entrust his 18 year old son with a 2008 BMW M5 with that amount of horsepower.
 
Rick Hunter said:
Don't mind us, Jas667. We're a little kooky sometimes. :dizzy:

Seriously, though, the kid got what was coming to him. Unfortunately he couldn't live to learn from his experiences. But the rest of us can.
I dont usually flame people, but Rick, No one deserve that fate. The kid was dumb and irresponsible that does not mean that death should have been what was coming to him. It disturbs me that someone would take such a flippant attitude to such a tragedy.

I sincerely hope that you or your loved ones are never touched by something of this nature.
 
OK, allow me to rephrase that comment, as I did not mean for it to be comprehended as a "he deserved it" statement (which BTW, I did not say). Of course neither he NOR anyone deserves such an incident (i.e. death) to occur. I would never wish this occurrence even on my enemies. Make no mistake... the kid DID NOT DESERVE death.

What I meant when I said he "had it coming" deals with the fact that he was not skilled enough to handle a car of such calibre. Coupled with his intrest in driving that particular car "to the max" (LINK), it is not hard to predict that a collision occurrence would be imminent if he carried on his behavior. Obviously, it came sooner than later, and he wasn't able to recover to learn of the error of his ways. Even more horrible was the fact that his peers had passed away because of it as well.

There obviously are a lot of factors that could have been at play in our analysis of this fateful incident. Regardless of such, those combination of factors ended his life. Am I touched by it? Of course I am. Was his behavior predictive of negative consequences? Hell yeah. Did he deserve to die? Nope.

I am terribly sorry if my choice of words became synonymous to "he deserved death." I did not intend for it to come out that way, and am saddened that you and others had read it that way. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, and I will in the future try to choose my words more respectfully.
 
In Rick's defense, if you failed to notice the bold, capital letters, this was a repost. The tragedy was already discussed previously (Here), and I personally felt that another thread regarding it was useless. Any lack of apparent remorse by some members, is brought about due to that fact :thumbsup:
 
After reading through this thread multiple times, it seems there is quite a bit of misunderstanding between those that followed my initial thread and those that are following this "repost". All members of this forum certainly feel that this was a tragedy. Whether you want to blame it on exuberant youth or neglible parents, the fact remains that a teenager is dead along with 4 friends. All of us regret the fact that it happened! It has been pointed out elsewhere that the kid was looking to get the most performance of a car that many felt (probably all) was beyond his capabilities, and all that replied also stated that he should NOT push the limits due to his experience/age.
My suggestion its to let this thread cease, like it should have, after being tagged as a repost of a current thread :thumbsup:

Cheers!
 
grdz4roadster said:
This is a sad and unfortunate tragedy that could have been avoided. I am a private attorney in the Chicago area and serve as a Special Prosecutor prosecuting DUIs and serious traffic cases. It is amazing the number of cases involving minors under the age of 21. Although many state laws regarding minor drivers are getting more strict, these types of tragedies will continue to occur. Educating minor drivers starts at home and it is up to the parents and guardians to make responsible choices. In my opinion, it was irresponsible for that child's parent to entrust his 18 year old son with a 2008 BMW M5 with that amount of horsepower.

This might be stereotypical I suppose but Im just talking from experience... When travelling I met alot of Americans and Canadians and their attitude to DUI was crazy. They didnt see a problem with it at all and did it all the time. It was shocking for me because in Britain it is very very frowned upon. Do you find the attitude I found is widespread through America?
 
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