Sticky steering unstuck & other developments

I read a post (on bimmerfest I think) from a US owner who found a mechanic who disassembled the column and found a very cheap nasty bearing setup which apparently isn't sealed and uses the outer surface of the column itself as the internal bearing race. The bearing was apparently badly crapped up so he cleaned it up and re-lubed it and it fixed the problem so the owner says.
 
Well that would concur with my mechanic who has changed the column (with knuckle joints at either end). Since having this done I'm afraid I've not used the car much - a brief trip at weekend seemed fine though.

This coming weekend is our Applecross meet so plenty time for the engine bay to really heat up (even if the Scottish weather doesn't) and I'll make a point of keeping heating on high too - no doubt roofs will be down unless it's raining !

So hopefully I'll be able to report back positively on Monday after some 500 miles ! Then we're soon off to Alps etc.

Mangozac - I've no knowledge of BMW replacing the steering column under warranty or anything similar in UK. I've paid an ex BMW mechanic to do work - it's an 04 car so no warranty.
 
I think this bearing though was higher up than the two UJs and apparently the logic for the notchiness was that the ECU notes the stiffness when it occurs and pumps in an extra squirt of power assistance which would explain the 'coming unstuck' feeling you get when you turn the wheel....

This was the bearing lube post...

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=565986


Another site quoted a US warranty replacement, referring to Faulty EPS Steering column as per Puma Measure 4515500-06 - wonder what that means?
 
Mmm... there's a chance then that I've just wasted £300 ! time will tell - that's the real problem with intermittent faults. DOn't know about Puma Measures but would like to know more !
 
Puma Measure sounds like some kind of espionage/adventure novel :P

jaxZ4 said:
Mangozac - I've no knowledge of BMW replacing the steering column under warranty or anything similar in UK. I've paid an ex BMW mechanic to do work - it's an 04 car so no warranty.
I don't know specifically of any warranty cases, but for non-warranty cases replacing the entire steering column seems to be the BMW solution, which wouldn't make sense if it was just the uni joints. This clarification about it being the bearings inside the column make more sense - it's not a part that a BMW mechanic would be supposed to disassemble to rectify.
 
Interesting. Talking to Ade, this is hot air blowing on the steering ECU and causing the electronics to go on the fritz. That makes a certain amount of sense as if the knuckle joints were seizing, you'd expect them to be worse when cold. As I spent a fortune on a warranty, mine is going to go to the dealer to be looked at.
 
Stuart Truman said:
Interesting. Talking to Ade, this is hot air blowing on the steering ECU and causing the electronics to go on the fritz. That makes a certain amount of sense as if the knuckle joints were seizing, you'd expect them to be worse when cold. As I spent a fortune on a warranty, mine is going to go to the dealer to be looked at.

except I've got it in Wales. A country where the word 'hot' normally only refers to a woodburner.....

knuckle joints should respond fully to a decent oiling, so its not a long term cause IMHO.....

PS the PUMA thing is BMWs internal recording reference for an issue......quoting it at a dealer who says "what sticky steering?" would be interesting.
 
Update

Since having the column section replaced, we've returned from our 2,200 miles trip across some of Europe in mixed weather but including some hot conditions and long high speed motorway blasts and I'm delighted to report that I had NO sticky steering at all, which was a relief.

Fully appreciate that this may still not be a definitive due to not addressing any ECU issues etc. but I'm pleased and hope this helps.

:driving: :thumbsup:
 
I'll be able to give feedback over the next few weeks. #69 is having a replacement steering column fitted as I type this.

Quoting that there was a PUMA number certainly helped as they went off to look, which implies not as many dealers as you'd think are aware of the issue. I did open a thread to list yourself if you were affected, but little to no interest. Maybe it's not as common as we think?
 
so I'm wondering if this section can be disassembled and regreased? As I said further up, it seemed that spraying lubricant on to the UJs had some effect but I always wondered if it was placebo since it no longer seems to have any effect.....and I'm not aware of any grease or lubricant that goes hard at temperature then softens up again when it cools?? It either liquidises and drains away, oxidises (grease is just a carrier for the lubricating medium, not a lubricant per se), or hardens permanently....its just damn weird and I wish BMW would just come clean. But having worked extensively with German tecchies in other industries, I know that admitting they got it wrong is not something they do well!

High-temperature effects. High temperatures harm greases more than they harm oils. Grease, by its nature, cannot dissipate heat by convection like a circulating oil. Consequently, without the ability to transfer away heat, excessive temperatures result in accelerated oxidation or even carbonization where grease hardens or forms a crust.

Effective grease lubrication depends on the grease's consistency. High temperatures induce softening and bleeding, causing grease to flow away from needed areas. The mineral oil in grease can flash, burn or evaporate at temperatures greater than 177°C (350°F).
 
There seems to be two schools of thought on this:

One that an inner bearing grease is doing as you suggest, the other that the heat is putting the steering ecu on the fritz
 
Hello everyone

writing from italy

had the sticky issue with my z4 e85 2.0i 2005.

just replaced with a used steering column took from a 2006 car, swap done by a bmw official mechanic, after a perfect 600km drive, happened to have the servo light on and the servo completely out of service. took the car again to the mechanic who did the swap, tried to fix that reprogramming the unit, no luck. diagnosis is torque sensor failure §(especciali code 611c, short cirquit or broken cable to the sensor).

i'm stuck at this point

anyone else experienced this?

any solution?

thanks
 
Oh dear! I don't suppose you mean steering angle sensor? (kidding-- wishful thinking, it's the only replaceable part besides the entire column :roll: ) The torque sensor cable can be damaged if the column is removed and transported out of the vehicle without the locking pin installed. Curious it worked for a while if that's the reason. I suppose it could have been damaged, but still functioned for a while, the regular normal use was enough to cause it to completely fail after the initial damage occurred out of the vehicle.

Double check the external wiring for good measure, but it's sounding like you got a bad column. You might enquire about the locking pin being installed when the column was received and it was removed only after installation. Even so, the pin may have been installed too late by the dismantler to cover the error.

Oh, welcome to the forum!
Sorry it is under rather disappointing circumstances.
 
Thanks for replies and for being welcome

yes it is a very disappointing situation. because it's a BMW failure. Because i'm trying to fix their mistake spending less than 2000+ for a new column.

we've checked every possible electric connection, everything is fine. so i had a bad column, now i have a broken torque sensor.

what i think is: after BMW wanted to replace one headlight assembly (500euros) but only a 10Cents screw was missing, and after they wanted to replace an airbag ecu (600Euros) that i fixed with a 30euros cable and software bought on ebay, i cannot trust them when their solution is "you have to change the whole part". it can be possible to fix it, i only have to find out how.

ok, the torque sensor is inside the column, is a very sensitive magnetic sensor, and so forth. but it still something built on earth, nothing alien, isn't it?

so i'm quite sure it is something possible to fix.

any advice?

any good story about that?

i have fixed an airbag ecu only because i found a post on this site where someone said "i made it, i fixed one!"

it gave me the strenght to keep on trying until i made it too.

i hope someone can give me good news about that!
 
ok here we go

bmw instructions about how to remove/install the steering column state that before to remove the column from the car is mandatory to block the steering in "zero" position and install a special tool on the lower spindle in order to prevent it to turn when removed from the car until next installation. this is because to turn the lower spindle when the column is not fitted in the car will cause the torque sensor WIRING HARNESS to break.

so, if this is the case, it is not a broken torque sensor, but just a broken wiring harness! how much complicated could be to repair a wiring harness??? is it possible that because of a broken wiring harness we have to replace the whole part for 2000Euros?

it doesn't make sense
 
Might be stating the obvious, but your BMW man fitted a column that was either incorrectly shipped with the pin out, or didn't fit it according to procedure and now you have a fault.

Just my opinion but I'd be talking to them about why either a) they didn't flag up the pin was missing and possible consequences or b) that it wasn't fitted properly

Just maybe you can get them to look at it, check the wiring and if broken, fix it...
 
Have you already fixed it? I've got same problem with a steering column...
http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65056&p=961447#p961447
 
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