Stay the fcuk at home (will offend some)

[john-e89]

Concurs.

Although, I suspect the opinion-nazi's will be along soon to give you a good hiding!

:lol:

:?

Then why post anything in the first place if you don’t like anyone’s else’s opinion, which you clearly don’t. Doesn’t make any sense.

It's not that I don't not like anyone elses opinion at all, far from it. This is a 'Forum' after all. Look up the definition of that word if it doesn't register.
It's when some self-righteous miserable old fkrs here decide to go off-topic and turn it into a personal vendetta is when I find it particularly hilarious! That's not empassioned or informed or intelligent discussion, it's just lame mud-slinging, tit-for-tat, my dad is bigger than your dad BS just for the sake of it.
You replied twice to one of my posts in the Darwin thread John, I suspect because I think you regretted that your first reply wasn't strong enough so you thought you would join in a day later and take another swing at me just for good measure. Lame.
I put you in with the rest of the limp-wristed handbag-wavers in wanting to join in the group-pummelling of people brave enough to stand up and give an opinion on something!
Why don't you come up with something original of your own instead of running at the back of the pack?

You think it’s a personal vendetta because you’re a silly immature adult, if you had half a brain you’d understand that’s it’s pretty impossible for someone to have a vendetta with you when no-one knows you. You’re spiked because you didn’t get the responses you wanted and so you’ve thrown your teddy way out the pram and have to keep banging on every opportunity you get to post the now oh so boring same old memes and make snidey childish remarks on other posts to,try to get some self esteem back. You didn’t like it so you’re pissed off, hence you can dish plenty out but can’t take it back.

 

[Chris_D]

:?

Then why post anything in the first place if you don’t like anyone’s else’s opinion, which you clearly don’t. Doesn’t make any sense.

It's not that I don't not like anyone elses opinion at all, far from it. This is a 'Forum' after all. Look up the definition of that word if it doesn't register.
It's when some self-righteous miserable old fkrs here decide to go off-topic and turn it into a personal vendetta is when I find it particularly hilarious! That's not empassioned or informed or intelligent discussion, it's just lame mud-slinging, tit-for-tat, my dad is bigger than your dad BS just for the sake of it.
You replied twice to one of my posts in the Darwin thread John, I suspect because I think you regretted that your first reply wasn't strong enough so you thought you would join in a day later and take another swing at me just for good measure. Lame.
I put you in with the rest of the limp-wristed handbag-wavers in wanting to join in the group-pummelling of people brave enough to stand up and give an opinion on something!
Why don't you come up with something original of your own instead of running at the back of the pack?

You think it’s a personal vendetta because you’re a silly immature adult, if you had half a brain you’d understand that’s it’s pretty impossible for someone to have a vendetta with you when no-one knows you. You’re spiked because you didn’t get the responses you wanted and so you’ve thrown your teddy way out the pram and have to keep banging on every opportunity you get to post the now oh so boring same old memes and make snidey childish remarks on other posts to,try to get some self esteem back. You didn’t like it so you’re pissed off, hence you can dish plenty out but can’t take it back.

 

[Nictrix]

Travelling to a job that seemingly wasn't essential leaving yourself potentially at risk to taking home germs to your asthmatic wife
That 1 person you were working with only needed to come into contact with someone else out of work etc etc etc
No big issue but you can't really go throwing your ideals at others when you yourself are doing the exact opposite .
Last Tuesday you had the option , you could have stayed home & taken SSP from day1

Sor

I was working in a school, opening it for the kids of frontline workers. I was able to stay away from everybody while there. The number of kids have now dropped and they are moving them to another school. I now do not need to be there and so I wont be.
I hope this explains it for you.

Brilliant , you don't avoid this germ by avoiding people , it can be on any hard surface for days
The whole situation RE keyworkers children still attending schools is another crazy situation , if that's not a revolving door for germ spreading then what is , , , a possible direct connection to the front line of the virus only in Britain

I agree with you that sticking the kids into schools after being who knows where at the weekend and at night is madness, that why I stayed away from any of them. As far as I can tell the precautions I have been taking (washing hands on entering the building, wearing gloves, changing them regularly, washing hands as soon as I get home etc) has possibly stopped me from getting this. Who knows I may already have had it or may still get it going for supplies at the supermarket as deliveries seem almost impossible.
And avoiding people will help to avoid the virus. People touch things, cough, sneeze, breathe, and Im sure I heard that this virus may be airborne now so walking down the street could potentially put you at risk following somebody whether they are 2 metres away or not.

 

[john-e89]

It's not that I don't not like anyone elses opinion at all, far from it. This is a 'Forum' after all. Look up the definition of that word if it doesn't register.
It's when some self-righteous miserable old fkrs here decide to go off-topic and turn it into a personal vendetta is when I find it particularly hilarious! That's not empassioned or informed or intelligent discussion, it's just lame mud-slinging, tit-for-tat, my dad is bigger than your dad BS just for the sake of it.
You replied twice to one of my posts in the Darwin thread John, I suspect because I think you regretted that your first reply wasn't strong enough so you thought you would join in a day later and take another swing at me just for good measure. Lame.
I put you in with the rest of the limp-wristed handbag-wavers in wanting to join in the group-pummelling of people brave enough to stand up and give an opinion on something!
Why don't you come up with something original of your own instead of running at the back of the pack?

You think it’s a personal vendetta because you’re a silly immature adult, if you had half a brain you’d understand that’s it’s pretty impossible for someone to have a vendetta with you when no-one knows you. You’re spiked because you didn’t get the responses you wanted and so you’ve thrown your teddy way out the pram and have to keep banging on every opportunity you get to post the now oh so boring same old memes and make snidey childish remarks on other posts to,try to get some self esteem back. You didn’t like it so you’re pissed off, hence you can dish plenty out but can’t take it back.

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Well it’s a new meme at least....

 

[Vornwend]

Totally agree with the OP. Its already taken us too long to get serious about this. Just follow the advice or we will all pay a penalty

 

[buzyg]

We are only going to the shops when we need some thing. Most common item is milk that runs out twice a week'ish. On return from the local shop. the shopping goes on the kitchen island. then each item gets washed then the bags get washed. then the surfaces get washed. Event the front door gets a wipe with a alcohol wipe each time any on comes in from outside. But if any one thinks we are not buying chocolate they can dream on.

 

[ihadablackdog]

It is such a horrible situation all round.

Some people are sh1t scared, some people concerned and cautious and some people couldn’t give a damn.

No one is safe because whatever measures you take there could be someone else who isn’t as careful, or just being an idiot or just bad luck, and for most people shutting the world out isn’t a realistic option.

I’m lucky that I can work from home, and so is my wife, so we don’t need to worry about the financial problems that so so many others will now have to. We couldn’t survive on 80% of either salary and lots of people probably won’t even get that.

It’s just awful - the dilemma of staying at home for health, or going to work cos you can’t afford not to. Rock...hard place etc etc. The images of the tube travellers were terrible, all those people in such confined space etc. Why? Chances are the majority genuinely felt they had no choice but to go to work....back to the dilemma, work or health.

My wife is on chemo so is one of the ones that could be wiped out if she got it. F*ck, she was in hospital last year for a week cos her immune system got so low she had almost no ability to fight any infection, even a simple cold, so this is real for her, and people like her.

So, yes, I’m self righteous, but I have a reason as I have something real to lose if she dies.

The message is to reduce going out where possible. No ones saying don’t buy chocolate, or beer etc, but why not plan ahead and get it with your weekly shop? (not a dig at the person that wrote that on the previous page, just using it as an example) It’s the exposure to others, or places where others are, that is risky, so why shop twice when once would do? Go to the corner shop for that 6 pack or snickers etc....possibly harmless, but why risk it? The shopkeeper has been “near” lots of people that day so could pass it on.

I eat too much chocolate so am not saying don’t buy it!

Where do we stop though? Key workers are, well, essential so they can’t avoid going out, and as you know, healthcare professionals and care providers are by the nature of their jobs at increased risk, partly cos the number of people they come into contact with is increased, but proximity is closer...not forgetting those people are probably sick with something, even if not covid 19.

Watch the news - healthcare workers catching it, possibly due to the lack of ppe etc. Other key workers as well, police etc, delivery drivers (food shopping delivery drivers etc).

All at risk due to the number of people they come into contact with. Then, possibly passing it on, unknowingly.
And there we have....a virus spreading.

So even if you stay at home, you could get it from a home delivery BUT the risk of that is much much lower than if you also go out lots of other times when those other times could be avoided.

 

[AnilS]

This finally got real in our family.

Covid 19 took my father in law this morning. He didn't stand a chance. May he rest in peace.

He was a man, that if you ever met him, would always made you feel good about yourself.
A humble and generous man, that many looked up to.

He will join my late mother in law. He will be happy again.

Sadly, some of the public think they are immune and carry on regardless, in not social distancing, nor understanding the implications. The guidelines are there for ALL of us.

We haven't even seen the spike in the country, so goodness only knows where we are headed.

Funeral arrangements are quite grim as it is only limited to a small number. Could be interesting with such a large family! If he was to look down, on his funeral day, he'd think people didn't care about him, given the numbers would be so few.

In his last days, there were huge and understandable visiting restrictions at the hospital, but what was evident, was the dwindling supply of PPE for the visitor and NHS staff.

Just shocking that NHS staff, are being left vulnerable.

Covid 19 will teach us a lot. From ways of working to how ill prepared our health service have been run down.

This also applies to the rest of the world.

Stay safe people and at home.

 

[BeeEmm]

Anyone over the age of 6 knows that lots of people are selfish and don't think or care about others, but not all people. Some care or are misguided. The country is in a state of hysteria (not running around waving arms in the air) but unclear what other people will do. We have been given guidance about how this virus spreads and we have made up our own mind what the correct action should be. We need to protect ourselves against those that we think ignore correct advice. Don't criticise others when you don't fully know their reasons, just make sure that they don't affect you by their actions. I have never met anyone on this forum but 'know' them through their comments, some humorous, some not so, but if the forum is an indication of what is really happening, then I worry, because I have seen a change in comments from people I thought were knowledgeable, capable people and that disappoints me.

 

[sw4nny]

Anyone over the age of 6 knows that lots of people are selfish and don't think or care about others, but not all people. Some care or are misguided. The country is in a state of hysteria (not running around waving arms in the air) but unclear what other people will do. We have been given guidance about how this virus spreads and we have made up our own mind what the correct action should be. We need to protect ourselves against those that we think ignore correct advice. Don't criticise others when you don't fully know their reasons, just make sure that they don't affect you by their actions. I have never met anyone on this forum but 'know' them through their comments, some humorous, some not so, but if the forum is an indication of what is really happening, then I worry, because I have seen a change in comments from people I thought were knowledgeable, capable people and that disappoints me.

Well said,i can see the difference in the comments made on here,but that i believe is due to to fear of the unknown and worry for themselves and their families,
It is a reflection of society at the moment,every man for himself,however there is positives amongst this ,people are doing good and helping the ones that need it,but thats not as interesting or engaging as watching a fight.
Yes we should be ashamed as it does feel a little like even the z4 forum in times of trouble can be divided by ,physicality,wealth job role ethnicity,and about another 100 reasons.
And i am sure we would all class ourselves as understanding,now is not the the time to be divided.
I know its only a bloody car forum,but if we can fall out on here what we going to be like in A&E or the queue at Tesco.
Sorry rant over .

 

[ronk]

Unfortunately there’s some selfish numb nuts about - I know an old fella (92) had his grandchildren + partners home and his daughter took him to the hospital yesterday!
His daughter works in a shop and must see in close proximity 100+ people a day.

He is convinced this behaviour is acceptable :thumbsdown:

 

[Vornwend]

It's not that I don't not like anyone elses opinion at all, far from it. This is a 'Forum' after all. Look up the definition of that word if it doesn't register.
It's when some self-righteous miserable old fkrs here decide to go off-topic and turn it into a personal vendetta is when I find it particularly hilarious! That's not empassioned or informed or intelligent discussion, it's just lame mud-slinging, tit-for-tat, my dad is bigger than your dad BS just for the sake of it.


[/quote]

You seem to want to have it both ways - informed and intelligent discussion and sarcastic wind up territory - which most of your posts in the Darwin thread were and which you later stated was your aim. Judging by the length of your original post and the passion which you expressed I suspect it started as the former. When I and others responded with a list of on-topic objections to your first post you chose not to answer a single one. Hence its hard not to conclude that you don't like people disagreeing with you and have now retreated behind sarcasm. Maybe take some responsibility for the reactions you've provoked? Be assured that I've no interest whatsoever in winding you up and note that I've avoided using any sarcasm or cheap insults here as easy and tempting as that might have been! You are entitled to your opinion but so are others.

 

[Argyll Andy]

It is such a horrible situation all round.

Some people are sh1t scared, some people concerned and cautious and some people couldn’t give a damn.

No one is safe because whatever measures you take there could be someone else who isn’t as careful, or just being an idiot or just bad luck, and for most people shutting the world out isn’t a realistic option.

I’m lucky that I can work from home, and so is my wife, so we don’t need to worry about the financial problems that so so many others will now have to. We couldn’t survive on 80% of either salary and lots of people probably won’t even get that.

It’s just awful - the dilemma of staying at home for health, or going to work cos you can’t afford not to. Rock...hard place etc etc. The images of the tube travellers were terrible, all those people in such confined space etc. Why? Chances are the majority genuinely felt they had no choice but to go to work....back to the dilemma, work or health.

My wife is on chemo so is one of the ones that could be wiped out if she got it. F*ck, she was in hospital last year for a week cos her immune system got so low she had almost no ability to fight any infection, even a simple cold, so this is real for her, and people like her.

So, yes, I’m self righteous, but I have a reason as I have something real to lose if she dies.

The message is to reduce going out where possible. No ones saying don’t buy chocolate, or beer etc, but why not plan ahead and get it with your weekly shop? (not a dig at the person that wrote that on the previous page, just using it as an example) It’s the exposure to others, or places where others are, that is risky, so why shop twice when once would do? Go to the corner shop for that 6 pack or snickers etc....possibly harmless, but why risk it? The shopkeeper has been “near” lots of people that day so could pass it on.

I eat too much chocolate so am not saying don’t buy it!

Where do we stop though? Key workers are, well, essential so they can’t avoid going out, and as you know, healthcare professionals and care providers are by the nature of their jobs at increased risk, partly cos the number of people they come into contact with is increased, but proximity is closer...not forgetting those people are probably sick with something, even if not covid 19.

Watch the news - healthcare workers catching it, possibly due to the lack of ppe etc. Other key workers as well, police etc, delivery drivers (food shopping delivery drivers etc).

All at risk due to the number of people they come into contact with. Then, possibly passing it on, unknowingly.
And there we have....a virus spreading.

So even if you stay at home, you could get it from a home delivery BUT the risk of that is much much lower than if you also go out lots of other times when those other times could be avoided.

Yes it is a horrible situation and as someone who has an auto immune disease it’s particularly worrying for me.

I fully understand your concerns for your wife, who I really hope stays well. I have great consultants who I trust implicitly and have a great relationship with. One, who I’d seen on 26/02, phoned me as a courtesy a couple of weeks ago and was brutally honest and said if I catch a full blown case of this it’ll be fatal. I don’t care who you are or what you think, get a phone call like that and it’s a game changer.

I then within the last week got 3 phone calls over an afternoon from a doctor I didn’t know who was asking me various questions because of my conditions and drug therapy. When she phoned the second time I just asked her outright WTF was going on as this wasn’t just a general call like she’d indicated the first time. What she was actually doing was booking me into the hospital system for my likely admission as they reckon I won’t be able to give them the information they need at that timer I get ill. There’s seemingly a smaller group of people they’re doing this with (In Scotland anyway).

Also told by that doctor I’m not on 12 weeks isolation, like the media stated and like my letter told me yesterday, but I’m actually on complete isolation and confined to the house indefinitely. No exercise, no shopping, no medical appointments unless I get ill which if does happen I’ve got a number to call to “get my safe and controlled” transfer to hospital??

So yes seeing these people not giving a sh!t is really boiling my p!ss because it’s not those fukcers that’ll get it it’s folk like me and the OP’s wife who’ll unfortunately get it and with a very high chance of it being fatal.

Just for clarity, I’m 51, t-total for 30 yrs, don’t smoke, don’t eat junk food, do eat chocolate, too much, and when I’m well am reasonably fit, MTB and road cycle 4+ hrs at a time, Have one chronic illness diagnosed at 38 which then lead to another one a few years later. Both 100% out of my control so I didn’t bring this on myself with lifestyle or bad choices, just the hand I was dealt. I know on a daily basis that I’m lucky to be alive

So all that said, as the thread is titled I wish everyone who has been told to minimise their trips out would do so and “STAY THE FCUK AT HOME” when at all possible and as many of us as possible come through the other side of this and get back to enjoying life again.

 

[ihadablackdog]

Hope you stay safe Andy and this passes you by.

And my thoughts are with you AnilS on your loss.

It is a sad fact that years of underfunding for our emergency services is now showing the cracks and although perhaps we could never have been fully prepared, surely we could’ve been “better” prepared.

Something I find ironic is that the people the country is showing gratitude to for their hard work (primarily shown for nhs staff, but don’t forget the others) will likely get forgotten when it’s all over, and due to the amount of debt the country will now be in for years, austerity will be back and they will have years of real-term pay cuts. They do their job out of vocation, not for money, but are the ones to get sh1t on.

Those people who for this has real, obvious consequences do have a different perception than those who don’t see how bad it could actually be to them, what they could lose.

To pick up a previous comment about not judging others who are out, when we don’t know their reason for being out. That’s an excellent point, and I know exactly what is meant by it. There are people out for genuine reasons that are not obvious to others, but then there are others who are blatantly out with no real essential need and it is those who I feel could do more to help stop the spread.

Like I said previously, only the individual knows if their journey is essential or not, but they have to make that judgement with an open mind, not a selfish one.

Currently this isn’t happening with lots of people.

Currently we still have the freedom to make the choice but if the government don’t believe people are being responsible, then I worry that lockdown could be enforced much more strictly. Don’t know how, but I think it could happen.

 

[AnilS]

Thank you ihadablackdog.

 

[Chris_D]

It's not that I don't not like anyone elses opinion at all, far from it. This is a 'Forum' after all. Look up the definition of that word if it doesn't register.
It's when some self-righteous miserable old fkrs here decide to go off-topic and turn it into a personal vendetta is when I find it particularly hilarious! That's not empassioned or informed or intelligent discussion, it's just lame mud-slinging, tit-for-tat, my dad is bigger than your dad BS just for the sake of it.

You seem to want to have it both ways - informed and intelligent discussion and sarcastic wind up territory - which most of your posts in the Darwin thread were and which you later stated was your aim. Judging by the length of your original post and the passion which you expressed I suspect it started as the former. When I and others responded with a list of on-topic objections to your first post you chose not to answer a single one. Hence its hard not to conclude that you don't like people disagreeing with you and have now retreated behind sarcasm. Maybe take some responsibility for the reactions you've provoked? Be assured that I've no interest whatsoever in winding you up and note that I've avoided using any sarcasm or cheap insults here as easy and tempting as that might have been! You are entitled to your opinion but so are others.
[/quote]

Ah, so there’s a set, acceptable, non-varying format for the way an OP is allowed to respond to posts in his own thread?
I didn’t know that.
Thanks for that tip!

 

[Argyll Andy]

Hope you stay safe Andy and this passes you by.

And my thoughts are with you AnilS on your loss.

It is a sad fact that years of underfunding for our emergency services is now showing the cracks and although perhaps we could never have been fully prepared, surely we could’ve been “better” prepared.

Something I find ironic is that the people the country is showing gratitude to for their hard work (primarily shown for nhs staff, but don’t forget the others) will likely get forgotten when it’s all over, and due to the amount of debt the country will now be in for years, austerity will be back and they will have years of real-term pay cuts. They do their job out of vocation, not for money, but are the ones to get sh1t on.

Those people who for this has real, obvious consequences do have a different perception than those who don’t see how bad it could actually be to them, what they could lose.

To pick up a previous comment about not judging others who are out, when we don’t know their reason for being out. That’s an excellent point, and I know exactly what is meant by it. There are people out for genuine reasons that are not obvious to others, but then there are others who are blatantly out with no real essential need and it is those who I feel could do more to help stop the spread.

Like I said previously, only the individual knows if their journey is essential or not, but they have to make that judgement with an open mind, not a selfish one.

Currently this isn’t happening with lots of people.

Currently we still have the freedom to make the choice but if the government don’t believe people are being responsible, then I worry that lockdown could be enforced much more strictly. Don’t know how, but I think it could happen.

Thank you, I’d also like to stress I’m not judging others who are out. To anyone who sees him, my fit and healthy 40 year old youngest brother is out and about at least a couple of times a week and I’m sure there’s people who think he should be staying at home more. He’s actually out getting my food, my medication as I’m on my own just now and he’s also up checking and shopping for our elderly mum who needs regular assistance. We don’t have a shopping delivery service.

That’s why I said I was people would “minimise their trips“ - not they shouldn’t be out as like his trips some are total necessar and not everyone will know that

 

[-Tom-]

 

[ben g]

We went out for a walk yesterday, first time we've left our boundary in 5 days. It was empty on the main pavements, but the cycle paths and nature reserve area was full of absolute knob jockeys who cycle/run/congregate with others way too close to eachother.

There's was a whole group of youngsters, around 10 of them, from what I could see standing around chatting, smoking, the usual. Absolute idiots.

Anyway, we diverted to the pavements and gave up on the nature reserve in the end. Much better and no one around, maybe they were all hiding from police patrolling in their cars?

I don't particularly like socialising anyway, much less so when there's a virus going around, but you're allowed to leave the house once a day. If and when the government decides this is stupid, I'll be happy to stay home for as long as it takes.

 

[z4pilot]

Anyone over the age of 6 knows that lots of people are selfish and don't think or care about others, but not all people. Some care or are misguided. The country is in a state of hysteria (not running around waving arms in the air) but unclear what other people will do. We have been given guidance about how this virus spreads and we have made up our own mind what the correct action should be. We need to protect ourselves against those that we think ignore correct advice. Don't criticise others when you don't fully know their reasons, just make sure that they don't affect you by their actions. I have never met anyone on this forum but 'know' them through their comments, some humorous, some not so, but if the forum is an indication of what is really happening, then I worry, because I have seen a change in comments from people I thought were knowledgeable, capable people and that disappoints me.

People watching is endlessly fascinating... When we all stick to the topic we generally agree on (ie Z4s) then we by and large all get on. As soon as we start to drift onto other topics, you start to see little slivers of an individual's character that you conciously or sub-consciously construct into a picture of the whole.

Brexit was a good one for this - following the airing of views, there are a few people from whom I would probably still quite happily take their car advice, but I wouldn't necessarily want to go and have a pint with them.

But Brexit wasn't a matter of life or death - Covid19 has introduced a whole new level of paranoia, selfishness and stupidity into the debate that has amazed and amused me at the same time. On the plus side, there have been voices of moderation and sage advice, but some people have far too much time and predjudice on their hands - I for one won't hold some people on here in quite the same regard as previously...