Starting to take the piss now...

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Nictrix said:
Its the only way to make everybody shift into electric vehicles, price petrol/diesel vehicles off the road. :(
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Not going to happen, how are people who spend a coupe of K on a used car going to afford an electric vehicle and by the time its at a price point they can afford or want to pay the range will be about 3 miles
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The dealers will offer 25year mortgages on easy terms for electric vehicles, ensuring everyone can sign up :o
Rob
 
Its the only way to make everybody shift into electric vehicles, price petrol/diesel vehicles off the road. :(
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Not going to happen, how are people who spend a coupe of K on a used car going to afford an electric vehicle and by the time its at a price point they can afford or want to pay the range will be about 3 miles
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The dealers will offer 25year mortgages on easy terms for electric vehicles, ensuring everyone can sign up :o
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They may well offer long term leases but again there will be. group of people who will not want the monthly financial commitment - its going to be a balancing act between taxing fuel / VRFL and electric as a lot of people could lose their mobility - how will kids manage when they have to pay £400 to lease a car and £800 a month to insure it :|
 
Yes push everyone to electric, drive up the expenditure on those who haven't made the shift until it becomes uneconomically viable to own. Remember low emissions and 0% RFL and everyone else saw their RFL rise... then they discovered they weren't making enough money through taxes, so change in the scheme. Same will happen with electric cars, so how about those without off road parking, flats etc. Most homes have at least two cars now its going to be crazy :soapbox:
 
Smartbear said:
The dealers will offer 25year mortgages on easy terms for electric vehicles, ensuring everyone can sign up
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I can't see why they will need to TBH. The EV revolution has started and it won't stop. The more EVs are produced, the cheaper they will become; economy of scale surely?
Fully EVs have been around in small numbers for a good few years now, so the kids will be buying 5-10 year old ones for little money in a few years time. The hybrid "stop gap" will become obsolete as they will be no use to anyone in the future. They are only being produced ATM to capitalise on sales due to tax breaks.
We are at the start of a massive shift in the way we travel, it's gaining momentum and it ain't gonna stop because our Gov have committed to it and can't turn back now. It's only people like us who will complain; the younger generation won't know any different so will just go with it.
There are many clever people investing a lot of money in making this work, for profit obviously. The carbon paint seems an obvious way forward when someone can make it viable. The whole exterior of the car is a solar panel. :o

Coincidentally, I just got an email from a leasing company offering a Nissan Leaf EV for around £200 per month, about the same as an equivalent ICE model!! :o
 
There is a shift but we have to remember that cars 6 or 7 years old will potentially have a significantly reduced range so they are not going to be worth a lot. What use is that when you have a 300 miles journey to make and range off 100 miles - unless we can go from 10% to 80% charged in 5 minutes it will take a while.

People keep saying you cant have petrol after 2030, nonsense you just cant buy petrol only, hybrids will be available as they know it is going to take 10 to 15 years to get a sensible range from a vehicle which has rapid charge capability and the network in place charge it when its here.

Pumping up VRFL is not about being green, its about financing the spending we have had during the pandemic IMHO
 
EV will be like Betamax & VHS in the future , its simply not a viable option to think everyone in the UK could function with one , the solution needs to be something else sustainable , practical , affordable ( to the masses) & actually works .
Besides the problem of the amount of power needed to charge them all exactly how would it work on terraced roads where there are no designated spaces for homeowners ? extension reels out of bedroom window down the road & around the corner to where you managed to park :D
There was a radio interview last week with the person designated to overseeing the changeover from fossil fuels to electric between now & 2030 , they were asked how many charge points per day were being installed nationally :? errrr no answer
Then told they needed to be doing 700 per day every day for the next 9 yrs & the silence was deafening :D
Its not about whats environmentally right , its about practicality & feasibility , both points that the majority of those pushing EVs seem to have forgotten about .
 
mr wilks said:
EV will be like Betamax & VHS in the future , its simply not a viable option to think everyone in the UK could function with one , the solution needs to be something else sustainable , practical , affordable ( to the masses) & actually works .
Besides the problem of the amount of power needed to charge them all exactly how would it work on terraced roads where there are no designated spaces for homeowners ? extension reels out of bedroom window down the road & around the corner to where you managed to park :D
There was a radio interview last week with the person designated to overseeing the changeover from fossil fuels to electric between now & 2030 , they were asked how many charge points per day were being installed nationally :? errrr no answer
Then told they needed to be doing 700 per day every day for the next 9 yrs & the silence was deafening :D
Its not about whats environmentally right , its about practicality & feasibility , both points that the majority of those pushing EVs seem to have forgotten about .
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Very valid points there sir, we are just not ready for this'd again the blinked mob pushing electric seem to ignore the effect of making the batteries, shipping them around the world and then disposing of them never mind about how we actually produce the power.

Electric will never fully take over.
 
All the above comments (including mine TBH) are based on the current technology and infrastructure, or lack of. The 2030 date has been put out there by the Gov to send a message to the boffins that they are serious about this, so invest at little risk and the sooner the better. The Gov are not going to do anything apart from facilitate industry to get it done with incentives and carrots of big profits.
Governments do the headlines, business does the nuts and bolts. I don't believe for one minute that 2030 is achievable, but it's sending a message. In 2030 Boris and his cronies will be a sideline in history and they all know that.

Now might be a good time to start buying EDF or EON shares :D
 
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Pondrew said:
Now might be a good time to start buying EDF or EON shares
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Or maybe not! Eon took over npower last year, but still can't make my poxy "Smart" meter work. :wkr:

But luckily I taxed my MC in February for a mere £580! And "just" £330 for my 3 Series daily in March!
 
Pondrew said:
I don't believe for one minute that 2030 is achievable, but it's sending a message. In 2030 Boris and his cronies will be a sideline in history and they all know that.
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Well if they do the bosses at Jaguar are going to look a wee bit silly as they have committed the company to all electric in 2025. :scratchhead:
 
How does that work over there guys, is the vehicle on "Taxed" once upon initial purchase? or every year? whats the tax based on, is it the current value of the car? or new car price?

if its taxed every year, isnt that kinda like dubble dipping as youve already payed the "tax" the previous year?

or is this just in place of your rego , persdonal insurance in case you hit someone else?

i believe your roadworthy is called MOT, which is seperate..

sorry for the dumb question, but it comes up a bit and just wondering what the hell that tax actually is, and what its for.
 
The “tax” is an annual charge much like the annual registration in Australia. In order to tax your vehicle it needs a valid MOT (the annual safety check), and proof of insurance.

The cost of the tax reflects how polluting a car is deemed to be, but without any consideration for the distance covered by that vehicle each year. As such, a Z4M driver that covers 2000 miles per annum will pay markedly more tax each year than the owner of a VW Polo that covers 30000 miles per annum, despite the latter being the more polluting driver. The fair solution would be to abolish road tax and either increase the duty on fuel or levy a per-mile charge for all vehicles.

The UK doesn’t have two separate policies for mandatory third party insurance and voluntary comprehensive insurance the way that the CTP and voluntary comprehensive insurance are separated in Aus. In the UK, you have one insurance policy that covers third party injury and property damage as a minimum, and can be increased to a comprehensive cover if desired. In addition, the policy is associated with the driver not with the vehicle, so a car insured in my name is uninsured if you drive it (unless you hold an insurance policy that cover the use of my vehicle). That differs significantly from Australia, where you can drive my car on my policy and be fully insured.

That the Australian minimum CTP covers injury only and not third party properly damage is ridiculous. It means that your car can be damaged by a legally sanctioned driver who is effectively uninsured. I know of more than one overseas visitor to Australia who has been caught out thinking that the mandatory CTP policy would cover the repairs to another vehicle that they’d driven into, only to discover that they were uninsured for property damage and would have to fund vehicle repairs running into tens of thousands of dollars.
 
Electric is only free temporarily - why do you think we have so many smart motorways and ANPR
Pay by the mile for electric and everyone.

That is steep though!!
 
Electric vehicles are a stopgap to Hydrogen vehicles. Already have the pumping stations in place, just need more research to up the efficiency from ~70% to >90%.
 
BMWZ4MC said:
The “tax” is an annual charge much like the annual registration in Australia. In order to tax your vehicle it needs a valid MOT (the annual safety check), and proof of insurance.

The cost of the tax reflects how polluting a car is deemed to be, but without any consideration for the distance covered by that vehicle each year. As such, a Z4M driver that covers 2000 miles per annum will pay markedly more tax each year than the owner of a VW Polo that covers 30000 miles per annum, despite the latter being the more polluting driver. The fair solution would be to abolish road tax and either increase the duty on fuel or levy a per-mile charge for all vehicles.

The UK doesn’t have two separate policies for mandatory third party insurance and voluntary comprehensive insurance the way that the CTP and voluntary comprehensive insurance are separated in Aus. In the UK, you have one insurance policy that covers third party injury and property damage as a minimum, and can be increased to a comprehensive cover if desired. In addition, the policy is associated with the driver not with the vehicle, so a car insured in my name is uninsured if you drive it (unless you hold an insurance policy that cover the use of my vehicle). That differs significantly from Australia, where you can drive my car on my policy and be fully insured.

That the Australian minimum CTP covers injury only and not third party properly damage is ridiculous. It means that your car can be damaged by a legally sanctioned driver who is effectively uninsured. I know of more than one overseas visitor to Australia who has been caught out thinking that the mandatory CTP policy would cover the repairs to another vehicle that they’d driven into, only to discover that they were uninsured for property damage and would have to fund vehicle repairs running into tens of thousands of dollars.
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Thanks for the excellent explanation. Really appreciated that. :thumbsup:

Yeah the CTP will only cover persons only. Gotta have at least 3rd party property damage cover.. Dubai is very similar, though there is only Rego and insurance,

Cheers again, how are you enjoying my home town? Hope your having a blast. :)
 
Wow…I guess I should stop bitching about our $120 per annum licence fee and $1.40/litre fuel……your roads are more fun though.
 
My Ford Focus has CO2 emissions of around 110 g/km.

The Z4 is around 211 g/km.

The Z4 costs more than 11 times as much as the Focus to tax every year, while doing half as many miles and therefore polluting less.

Typical British nonsense.
 
I'd be quite happy if they scraped the car tax and put it onto fuel instead seeings though my z4m is my pleasure car and I am able to walk to work.
With tax and insurance I work it out that my z4m costs me £25 a week to just sit there most of the time. That's tax and insurance.
Mind you my tax will be less than £600 a year as I'll sorn the car for around 4 months over winter. That'll ensure I dont use it in the mucky winter months aswell as bring my annual tax cost down.
 
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