Show the 2.0i some love
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Well this guy is having a hoot in a 2.0 , it's not all about power but how much fun you can have-
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OEhsX8KWTA[/youtube]
It's the corners that separate the men from the boys, you don't need loads of grunt just good driving skills
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OEhsX8KWTA[/youtube]
It's the corners that separate the men from the boys, you don't need loads of grunt just good driving skills
MACK said:maybe you could post a piccie of your R8" or at least the R8 badge your A1 is no doubt wearing!!!!
# Mr BS!!!
Im sorry but its pretty clear your on your own here with your anti 2.0 vendetta.
BOOM!
Its my other half's car actually if i need to verify the documentation and registered address for you? Im pretty sure (quote me on this) i said theres one parked outside, but HEY what do i know ay?
ESP out
(Drops the microphone, walks off...) 8)ESP said:MACK said:maybe you could post a piccie of your R8
# Mr BS!!!
Im sorry but its pretty clear your on your own here with your anti 2.0 vendetta.
BOOM!
Its my other half's car actually if i need to verify the documentation and registered address for you? Im pretty sure (quote me on this) i said theres one parked outside, but HEY what do i know ay?
ESP out
WTF is that the best you can do! #Billy BS I think you find I'm been the rationale honest one, your the one who's full of it, deluded, with his head in the sand and up his own arse at the same time (neat trick really) You just can't bear to hear a word against his when it comes to you precious N46 engine that's in 2.0 ( its an M car really, honest everyone!!!!)
If you hadn't been such an A Hole keyboard warrior to forumites offering a newbie some honest/factual advice in the other thread we wouldn't be here now. The vendetta was yours and clearly honest and factual aren't is your limited vocabulary, there's nothing worse than a motivated moron!
MACK said:
I think you find I'm been the rationale honest one, your the one who's full of it, deluded, with his head in the sand and up his own arse at the same time (neat trick really) You just can't bear to hear a word against his when it comes to you precious N46 engine that's in 2.0 ( its an M car really, honest everyone!!!!)
The best i can do???
I think you need to be a little clearer 'mate', what exactly is your problem now, (try using less Emoji's repeatedly)?
ESP said:MACK said:
I think you find I'm been the rationale honest one, your the one who's full of it, deluded, with his head in the sand and up his own arse at the same time (neat trick really) You just can't bear to hear a word against his when it comes to you precious N46 engine that's in 2.0 ( its an M car really, honest everyone!!!!)
The best i can do???
I think you need to be a little clearer 'mate', what exactly is your problem now, (try using less Emoji's repeatedly)?
You need me to clearer, plain english not good enough for you! kind proves the moron bit really!
RyanB88 said:
Bends Ryan, bends . . . how do you use your 'performance' car? (265bhp - sports hatchback territory these days
)As you say you 'don't understand' - here's my reaction to your statement:
It's fascinating seeing how different people want different things from their 'sports cars'. Maybe we're different ages: I'm 60 and when I started driving (after getting a full motorbike licence so about 40 years ago), 100 bhp was a very powerful engine. The Ford Escort Mexico took 10 seconds to 60mph! So for me, getting the best out of 150bhp is still fun - it can make for a capable drive.
Been out on a 'spirited' drive (a hoon) today on our favourite back roads of Northumberland in our M (338bhp). My wife knows that I'd love 400+ bhp now . . .yet there were times today when I missed screwing the heck out of my 2 litre! The M (with the sports button on constantly) just takes a curl of the toes to blast to the next sharp bend (in the right gear of course - it's not that fast!) then manages the bend far better than my previous Zeds so much so that it's vital to back off in case of cyclists or others on the road = less satisfying? I've been advised to get the M on a track day to see what it can do but I drive on the road . . .
What is a performance engine? 200bhp - 300bhp 400bhp? More today? Some fabulous driving cars with a lot less and some folk don't want that much performance and yet they still have fun.
I have to say that it's the roof down for me and I often say that I'd be happy driving a model T if it was a convertible. Drivers on the forum know that the dynamics of the coupe (E86 stiffer) are far better than the roadster - does that mean my Roadster M is less of a sportscar? I don't care because I can't get the best out of my M as it is and certainly not safely on the road. The enjoyment for me is driving safely yet in a spirited way that is a challenge and adds to my experience without being a danger or causing injury to others (no driving enjoyment is worth that) - lots of times that means driving a lot slower than the M is capable of doing - using maybe 150 bhp . . . . . ooerr where have I heard that figure before? ( :lol: I'm just being devils advocate
:evil: ) Some folk just want the looks and prestige of owning a Zed - 2 litre in that case doesn't matter does it? For me there's great fun to be had making the most of any car - I don't care what they are, they're all a laugh on the limit, it's just that some limits are a heck of a lot higher than others. I loved that episode of Top Gear where a lightweight Frogeye Sprite with about 140 bhp (I think) blasted up a hill climb (my age group in attendance :lol: ) - don't you think that'd be fun?
Another issue is the proliferation of speed cameras and ever greater penalties
- the 2 litre offers lots of fun at more licence friendly speeds . . . can be quite frustrating and stressful owning a true performance car these days. 
Stay safe out there - PS You've got a terrific Zed (I loved my 3.0si as well!
)Crikey - just seen the volley of posts on this thread . . . . woaw
EXACTLY!!
There's a lot to be said for putting your foot down on a straight bit of motorway in the dry (and braking the law), but you can do that in any car.
It's a long way off but in a 2.0 roadsters you closer to the frill of Go-karts.
If you've never owned a original Mini, your not qualified to talk about "Driveablity", because a mini is the closest thing to Go-karts you can drive on the road that has a roof.
We all love go-karting (if not you're no petrol head). They don't accelerate fast, it's not about power at all. It's about keeping it in the power band as much as you can, keeping the speed through the corners and braking as little as possible.
When I bought my Z4 I didn't expect or care for something to beat other people on 'the autobahn', I rarely go near a motorway, and 9 times out of 10 I'm driving in a 30mph zone with traffic. But I'm very happy with it.
There's a lot to be said for putting your foot down on a straight bit of motorway in the dry (and braking the law), but you can do that in any car.
It's a long way off but in a 2.0 roadsters you closer to the frill of Go-karts.
If you've never owned a original Mini, your not qualified to talk about "Driveablity", because a mini is the closest thing to Go-karts you can drive on the road that has a roof.
We all love go-karting (if not you're no petrol head). They don't accelerate fast, it's not about power at all. It's about keeping it in the power band as much as you can, keeping the speed through the corners and braking as little as possible.
When I bought my Z4 I didn't expect or care for something to beat other people on 'the autobahn', I rarely go near a motorway, and 9 times out of 10 I'm driving in a 30mph zone with traffic. But I'm very happy with it.
paulgs1000 said:RyanB88 said:
Bends Ryan, bends . . . how do you use your 'performance' car? (265bhp - sports hatchback territory these days
As you say you 'don't understand' - here's my reaction to your statement:
It's fascinating seeing how different people want different things from their 'sports cars'. Maybe we're different ages: I'm 60 and when I started driving (after getting a full motorbike licence so about 40 years ago), 100 bhp was a very powerful engine. The Ford Escort Mexico took 10 seconds to 60mph! So for me, getting the best out of 150bhp is still fun - it can make for a capable drive.
Been out on a 'spirited' drive (a hoon) today on our favourite back roads of Northumberland in our M (338bhp). My wife knows that I'd love 400+ bhp now . . .yet there were times today when I missed screwing the heck out of my 2 litre! The M (with the sports button on constantly) just takes a curl of the toes to blast to the next sharp bend (in the right gear of course - it's not that fast!) then manages the bend far better than my previous Zeds so much so that it's vital to back off in case of cyclists or others on the road = less satisfying? I've been advised to get the M on a track day to see what it can do but I drive on the road . . .
What is a performance engine? 200bhp - 300bhp 400bhp? More today? Some fabulous driving cars with a lot less and some folk don't want that much performance and yet they still have fun.
I have to say that it's the roof down for me and I often say that I'd be happy driving a model T if it was a convertible. Drivers on the forum know that the dynamics of the coupe (E86 stiffer) are far better than the roadster - does that mean my Roadster M is less of a sportscar? I don't care because I can't get the best out of my M as it is and certainly not safely on the road. The enjoyment for me is driving safely yet in a spirited way that is a challenge and adds to my experience without being a danger or causing injury to others (no driving enjoyment is worth that) - lots of times that means driving a lot slower than the M is capable of doing - using maybe 150 bhp . . . . . ooerr where have I heard that figure before? ( :lol: I'm just being devils advocate
Some folk just want the looks and prestige of owning a Zed - 2 litre in that case doesn't matter does it? For me there's great fun to be had making the most of any car - I don't care what they are, they're all a laugh on the limit, it's just that some limits are a heck of a lot higher than others. I loved that episode of Top Gear where a lightweight Frogeye Sprite with about 140 bhp (I think) blasted up a hill climb (my age group in attendance :lol: ) - don't you think that'd be fun?
Another issue is the proliferation of speed cameras and ever greater penalties
Stay safe out there - PS You've got a terrific Zed (I loved my 3.0si as well!
Crikey - just seen the volley of posts on this thread . . . . woaw
Got me thinking that Paul, I reckon 'performance' does come down to what you grew up with.
I remember buying a Cavalier SRi 130 - the '130' was the bhp. It impressed my mates. And a few years down the line I bought a Vauxhall Astra GTE 16v that pushed out 150 bhp if I remember correctly and got to 60 in around 7.5 seconds. It was a rocket - I'd never experienced such straight line acceleration!
Back then I drooled over the VW Corrado VR6 with its 190 bhp. Alas, I couldn't afford insurance on that sort of performance car back then.
So now I guess part of me is comparing the cars I wanted back in the 90's with my 3.0si - back then if someone handed me the keys to a 2 seater sports car pushing out 288 bhp I'd have thought I'd died and gone to heaven
Marlon said:Got me thinking that Paul, I reckon 'performance' does come down to what you grew up with.
I remember buying a Cavalier SRi 130 - the '130' was the bhp. It impressed my mates. And a few years down the line I bought a Vauxhall Astra GTE 16v that pushed out 150 bhp if I remember correctly and got to 60 in around 7.5 seconds. It was a rocket - I'd never experienced such straight line acceleration!
Back then I drooled over the VW Corrado VR6 with its 190 bhp. Alas, I couldn't afford insurance on that sort of performance car back then.
So now I guess part of me is comparing the cars I wanted back in the 90's with my 3.0si - back then if someone handed me the keys to a 2 seater sports car pushing out 288 bhp I'd have thought I'd died and gone to heaven
Absolutely - we're driving about in decade old technology as well but all my Zeds seem like dream machines to me
(and terrific value for money given the performance they offer
)
North West Surrey
OK OP, I'll add a bit of love for the 2 litre. especially the E89 variety as it has a turbo!
I can't see anything at all wrong with a 2 litre Z4 if it works for you - it doesn't really matter what other people think of it (unless they have one maybe)!
My first 2 BMWs were 4 cylinder Turbo-diesels - mainly because I was getting a car allowance and doing business miles. I had the first one 3 years and the second one 6 and a half years and enjoyed both (especially the 2nd one as it was a 123d - 201 bhp in a fairly innocuous 1 Series with a wave of torque was quite entertaining)!
But when I first went to view my 123d in January 2008 I had seen an E86 in the showroom and just loved it! :wub: I remember thinking I'd love to have one of those one day...... :lol:
In 2014 I wasn't doing business miles any more, had taken a work-place pension early with a bit of cash so I made sure that day arrived! Anyway being an E86 the only choice was a 3 litre (an M would have broken the budget) so that is what I got, and I just loved it! Despite advancing years my boy-racer days haven't gone away completely, and that straight 6 is just great!
I have never had a convertible and wouldn't want one, but I can see why an E85 would appeal to those who do like them. Similarly the E89 - you could say it offers the best of both worlds or is neither one thing or the other, but regardless of that it appeals to many on here and there is no right or wrong answer thankfully!
The important thing is we all like Z4s on here, so OP just keep enjoying yours.
especially the E89 variety as it has a turbo! I can't see anything at all wrong with a 2 litre Z4 if it works for you - it doesn't really matter what other people think of it (unless they have one maybe)!
My first 2 BMWs were 4 cylinder Turbo-diesels - mainly because I was getting a car allowance and doing business miles. I had the first one 3 years and the second one 6 and a half years and enjoyed both (especially the 2nd one as it was a 123d - 201 bhp in a fairly innocuous 1 Series with a wave of torque was quite entertaining)!
But when I first went to view my 123d in January 2008 I had seen an E86 in the showroom and just loved it! :wub: I remember thinking I'd love to have one of those one day...... :lol:
In 2014 I wasn't doing business miles any more, had taken a work-place pension early with a bit of cash so I made sure that day arrived! Anyway being an E86 the only choice was a 3 litre (an M would have broken the budget) so that is what I got, and I just loved it! Despite advancing years my boy-racer days haven't gone away completely, and that straight 6 is just great!
I have never had a convertible and wouldn't want one, but I can see why an E85 would appeal to those who do like them. Similarly the E89 - you could say it offers the best of both worlds or is neither one thing or the other, but regardless of that it appeals to many on here and there is no right or wrong answer thankfully!
The important thing is we all like Z4s on here, so OP just keep enjoying yours.
Mr Tidy said:
Apparently there is a right or wrong answer if you listen to Mr Clarkson ( I do know that a lot on here idolise him)
He said the E85s were terrible and were for people that were into wife swapping but seemed to love the E89 even though it was ONLY the 35i he was driving :lol:
Nictrix said:
Nothing wrong with a bit of wife swapping..you know "apparently"
"M" models aside the Zed isn't really a "sports car" as such, it's more of a GT (if it fits into any pigeon hole). Using BHP figures to justify a particular classification isn't appropriate either 230-265HP isn't actually all that much (my diesel Jag is 283HP and that's hardly a spotrs car).
I don't see anything wrong with the 4 pots at all, some people like them, some don't. Some people like coffee, personally I hate it but I wouldn't suggest that everyone switches to neat whiskey with their breakfast (just me LOL).
I haven't actually owned a 4 cylinder vehicle in several years (I'll give you a clue how long ago - It was a Rover 820 Vitesse Turbo - yep, that long). Since then it's been a succession of V6, Straight 6, V8 and even a 3 cylinder turbo.
Some like the character of a 4 pot motor, some a straight 6, some a V8, none of them are "wrong". Personally, my "nirvana" is a nice big block V8, but hey I'm a little odd. Actually, I need to get a "Wankel" fix at some point so that's on my list.
It's similar to the "Auto vs Manual" debate - it's horses for courses and 99% of it is a personal opinion/choice.
I'm just happy that most of the cocks moved over to Audi some years ago, at least now people will let us out into traffic at junctions
This whole situation has gotten out of hand now and as one of the chief purp's I'll hold my hands up and say I'm guilty!
However in my defence this all started when a newbie asked for some buying advice. Forumites gave some honest opinion and quite frankly accurate advice about the N46 Engine's reliability and all hell broke loose. Instead of questioning what was said ESP waded in and start kicking off and insulting folks because he wasn't happy hearing bad things about his precious 2.0 engine and it went downhill from there.
The point right back at the beginning that start all of all this (in another thread) was if buying today and insurance and mpg weren't critical you basically have a choice. For circa the same money you can either go for the 150BHP engine with well document reliability issues that are sometimes difficult to diagnose and usually expensive to fix or one of the more power engines that's typically more reliable and smoother too. Seriously folks, who wouldn't go for the later if buying today!
Now people are bringing the E89 into the equation and quite simply your just confusing the issue by doing that.
I'm willing to bet that most of the folks who are accused of "hating on the 2.0" would buy a 2.0T if in the market for E89 (Myself included) The engine doesn't have the same issues as N/A predecessor, its good value, especially if you buy a 18i and remap it into 28i territory. Couple this to the fact that the 3.0T in the E89 can have there own issues reliability wise, it makes for a compelling case.
I keep trying to walk away from this argument (honest) but at the end of the day I'm not giving into cyber insults/bullying because someone doesn't like what I'm saying. I've never walked away from a fight in my life (got my into trouble too at times!) especially when I know I'm right and its people just don't like hearing it and start behaving like babies. I'm not been a saint in this either but I'm certainly not going to walk away from some cowardly bully boy keyboard warrior! Even when I probably should.
The point being I know there's a lot of 2.0 owners out there, many have had there cars for years when buying a 2.0 made a lot of sense, at the end of the day there was a good £10k between the 2 and 3 litre new. Hell I would of bought one back then before all the expensive reliability issues raised their ugly heads. However buying today, I wouldn't and that's the advice the newbie was getting. I know folks will say why not keep quiet, why risk upsetting many forumites. The answer is simple if I said nothing and the same newbie bought one and then started posting they were having expensive to fix issues I would feel like a "bleep!"
Just this weekend I was advising a newbie on here who by the sounds of it may have a timing chain/tensioner issue on his 2.0i. I hope he doesn't, but I've seen the signs first hand too many times before. Its not the end of the world and its not like the engine will grenade itself as its a none interference engine, but he's staring down the barrel of at least a £400+ repair. Imagine you had advised him to buy that car. Now he's got it though and already spent a fortune on other repairs selling makes no sense and if it was my car I would keep it and get the fix done. Which bring us on to a point not previously mentioned (god knows how!) Alot of the 2.0i out there will have had many if not all of the common issues attended to at least once already so may/or may not be fine long term, however folks dont generally want to tell you a car your interesting in buying has been problematic which bring you back to buying a i6 engine zed just to be on the safe side. The extra power, standard spec and smoothness etc are just a bonus!
However in my defence this all started when a newbie asked for some buying advice. Forumites gave some honest opinion and quite frankly accurate advice about the N46 Engine's reliability and all hell broke loose. Instead of questioning what was said ESP waded in and start kicking off and insulting folks because he wasn't happy hearing bad things about his precious 2.0 engine and it went downhill from there.
The point right back at the beginning that start all of all this (in another thread) was if buying today and insurance and mpg weren't critical you basically have a choice. For circa the same money you can either go for the 150BHP engine with well document reliability issues that are sometimes difficult to diagnose and usually expensive to fix or one of the more power engines that's typically more reliable and smoother too. Seriously folks, who wouldn't go for the later if buying today!
Now people are bringing the E89 into the equation and quite simply your just confusing the issue by doing that.
I'm willing to bet that most of the folks who are accused of "hating on the 2.0" would buy a 2.0T if in the market for E89 (Myself included) The engine doesn't have the same issues as N/A predecessor, its good value, especially if you buy a 18i and remap it into 28i territory. Couple this to the fact that the 3.0T in the E89 can have there own issues reliability wise, it makes for a compelling case.
I keep trying to walk away from this argument (honest) but at the end of the day I'm not giving into cyber insults/bullying because someone doesn't like what I'm saying. I've never walked away from a fight in my life (got my into trouble too at times!) especially when I know I'm right and its people just don't like hearing it and start behaving like babies. I'm not been a saint in this either but I'm certainly not going to walk away from some cowardly bully boy keyboard warrior! Even when I probably should.
The point being I know there's a lot of 2.0 owners out there, many have had there cars for years when buying a 2.0 made a lot of sense, at the end of the day there was a good £10k between the 2 and 3 litre new. Hell I would of bought one back then before all the expensive reliability issues raised their ugly heads. However buying today, I wouldn't and that's the advice the newbie was getting. I know folks will say why not keep quiet, why risk upsetting many forumites. The answer is simple if I said nothing and the same newbie bought one and then started posting they were having expensive to fix issues I would feel like a "bleep!"
Just this weekend I was advising a newbie on here who by the sounds of it may have a timing chain/tensioner issue on his 2.0i. I hope he doesn't, but I've seen the signs first hand too many times before. Its not the end of the world and its not like the engine will grenade itself as its a none interference engine, but he's staring down the barrel of at least a £400+ repair. Imagine you had advised him to buy that car. Now he's got it though and already spent a fortune on other repairs selling makes no sense and if it was my car I would keep it and get the fix done. Which bring us on to a point not previously mentioned (god knows how!) Alot of the 2.0i out there will have had many if not all of the common issues attended to at least once already so may/or may not be fine long term, however folks dont generally want to tell you a car your interesting in buying has been problematic which bring you back to buying a i6 engine zed just to be on the safe side. The extra power, standard spec and smoothness etc are just a bonus!
I am so sorry if you feel your being Cyber Bulled.
There's Talk and Banter, light hearted and argumentative chat,
and then there's YOU who doesn't seem to have a clue about how ignorant he is and quickly ignores other peoples posts, replies and opinions back at you. In my opinion (in reply to your many insults) your a very sad obnoxious person.
Do you think your attitude to other forum remembers is totally normal and inline with others? Your entitled to a opinion but only if you can respect other peoples! And dont expect everyone to agree with your's just because its what you say.
Its clear you totally ignore and brush over replies that point out where your not actually correct and just keep shouting about something else like a child throwing its toys out of the pram. The 3.0 isn't noticeably Smoother, nor the 4 pot noticeably 'un smooth' and on the whole Spec and options are swings and round about's on both models, 2.0 came with a 6 speed box for example, at least post face lift. Also the option from the factory to have M-Sport Seats & multi function Steering wheels, electric seats, sat nav..... etc etc there are high spec and low spec examples out there of ALL Z4's.
"Billy BS" lol, you throw that insult about but have managed to brush over the your error again shout about something else. Dont worry it doesnt actually bother me, just made me chuckle
MACK said:
MACK said:
MACK said:
MACK said:Your therapist will tell you "you know you wont be truly happy to you do!"#Billy BS
MACK said:
MACK said:A word of advice, if your going to talk BS and try to brag at least be good at it and don't get caught out lying!
MACK said:If anything your ramblings just reinforce your clueless, or maybe you've got distracted from the actual point of all of this whilst curtain twitching at your imaginary R8!
MACK said:
MACK said:
I think you find I'm been the rationale honest one, your the one who's full of it, deluded
MACK said:why dont you just admire your photos of your M badge, or your quad exhaust for that matter! Dont get too excited, wouldn't want you to have any little accidents
Or maybe you could post a piccie of your R8
# Mr BS!!!
There's Talk and Banter, light hearted and argumentative chat,
and then there's YOU who doesn't seem to have a clue about how ignorant he is and quickly ignores other peoples posts, replies and opinions back at you. In my opinion (in reply to your many insults) your a very sad obnoxious person.
Do you think your attitude to other forum remembers is totally normal and inline with others? Your entitled to a opinion but only if you can respect other peoples! And dont expect everyone to agree with your's just because its what you say.
Its clear you totally ignore and brush over replies that point out where your not actually correct and just keep shouting about something else like a child throwing its toys out of the pram. The 3.0 isn't noticeably Smoother, nor the 4 pot noticeably 'un smooth' and on the whole Spec and options are swings and round about's on both models, 2.0 came with a 6 speed box for example, at least post face lift. Also the option from the factory to have M-Sport Seats & multi function Steering wheels, electric seats, sat nav..... etc etc there are high spec and low spec examples out there of ALL Z4's.
"Billy BS" lol, you throw that insult about but have managed to brush over the your error again shout about something else. Dont worry it doesnt actually bother me, just made me chuckle