Should Trump be impeached...?

[sars]

the fact that more senators voted for impeachment rather than against would indicate that he was indeed complicate (sic),

So you reckon that just because more Senators voted for impeachment of Trump than those against that makes Trump guilty?

No I think the abundance of evidence that he lied about the election fraud and stoking the fires under his supporters since before the election makes Trump absolutely guilty. Trump is all about winning anyway he can, wether it is legal or moral, he just doesn’t care and what’s more he doesn’t care about anything or anyone more than winning, he is absolutely corrupt.

it is just a fact that there was not enough of them to convict.

You obviously don't like the rules of the impeachment procedure and would prefer to manipulate the outcome you'd like. I bet you've been cheering for the Military in Myanmar.

The impeachment was nothing more than politics between rivals, it was never about proving or disproving guilt, I mean everyone knows he’s guilty. It seems rather naive to think that there was no manipulation in the outcome as it was and I see it for what it was, politics no more no less. Politics today has become purposeless, decisions are not based on right or wrongs or making society as a whole better, it’s a game and the players have no real understanding of what life is like for the average joe.

Oh and Myanmar, what are you on about, why would I be cheering on the Military, you’ve bought it up twice but there is no context.

 

[exdos]

No I think the abundance of evidence that he lied about the election fraud and stoking the fires under his supporters since before the election makes Trump absolutely guilty. Trump is all about winning anyway he can, wether it is legal or moral, he just doesn’t care and what’s more he doesn’t care about anything or anyone more than winning, he is absolutely corrupt.

It's irrelevant whether any of us actually like Trump or not, the legal aspect of his Impeachment was essentially specific to his speech of 6th January 2021 for which he was accused of "Incitiement of Insurrection". On that basis, Trump has been acquitted. I'm sure that his acquittal will not change anyone's opinion of Trump but the Senate can no longer claim that Trump incited insurrection.

The impeachment was nothing more than politics between rivals, it was never about proving or disproving guilt, I mean everyone knows he’s guilty.

Yes, it was nothing more than politics between rivals: it was a political stunt by the Democrats attempting to end Trump's future political ambitions. If you've actually read Trump's speech, in full, he said absolutely nothing to incite insurrection, so I completely disagree that everyone thinks Trump was guilty: wishful thinking on your part.

Politics today has become purposeless, decisions are not based on right or wrongs or making society as a whole better, it’s a game and the players have no real understanding of what life is like for the average joe.

I agree, but many millions of Americans prefer to hitch their hopes on Trump leading them, in the same way that voters around the World choose whom they vote for. Despite what anyone might think of Trump, he has proven that, when in power as the President, he's not a warmonger, and that must count for something.

Oh and Myanmar, what are you on about, why would I be cheering on the Military, you’ve bought it up twice but there is no context.

In the same way as you state: "The impeachment was nothing more than politics between rivals", the Military coup in Myanmar is also "nothing more than politics between rivals" where the government, which received 90% of the vote in their election, has been removed and many ministers now face trumped up charges so that the Military can run the country. I see that akin to Impeachment of Trump. Likewise, the imprisonment of Alexei Navalny by Putin on trumped up charges after his attempted murder is another example of groups manipulating their political opponents. These are just different ways of attempting to manipulate the outcomes of so-called democracies. Therefore, if you look at the wider picture, what you are supporting in the US has parallels in Myanmar and Russia, yet people in the West seem to support the accused (innocent until proven guilty) in Myanmar and Russia, but not in the US when the accused is Trump. Double standards.

 

[Flyingfifer]

No I think the abundance of evidence that he lied about the election fraud and stoking the fires under his supporters since before the election makes Trump absolutely guilty.

It really is astounding how wilfully blind people will be after they have been told what to believe by the MSM :slaphead:
There sure were a lot of dead people voting, people voting more than once, more votes than voters, poll watchers being prevented from actually poll watching etc etc etc. To claim that he lied about it is either nothing short of absolute ignorance of the facts or an appalling level of intellectual dishonesty.

Trump is all about winning anyway he can, wether it is legal or moral, he just doesn’t care and what’s more he doesn’t care about anything or anyone more than winning, he is absolutely corrupt.

You mean corrupt in that he was fighting using all the legitimate lawful means at his disposal? Or corrupt in the way that Joe has been getting money from the Chinese, Russians and god knows who else for what else?

The impeachment was nothing more than politics between rivals, it was never about proving or disproving guilt, I mean everyone who disagrees with him knows he’s guilty.

I fixed it for you. :wink:
But you are indeed correct, this was nothing more than politics and that was shown by the defence with the repeated admission by democrats that this was about preventing him from running again.

It seems rather naive to think that there was no manipulation in the outcome as it was and I see it for what it was

Slightly ironic given your ignorance or dismissal of the evidence of irregularity in the election :idunno:

 

[sars]

No I think the abundance of evidence that he lied about the election fraud and stoking the fires under his supporters since before the election makes Trump absolutely guilty.

It really is astounding how wilfully blind people will be after they have been told what to believe by the MSM :slaphead:
There sure were a lot of dead people voting, people voting more than once, more votes than voters, poll watchers being prevented from actually poll watching etc etc etc. To claim that he lied about it is either nothing short of absolute ignorance of the facts or an appalling level of intellectual dishonesty.

It's was neither MSN nor CNN, rather that not one of the eighty six lawsuits filed by Trump and others succeeded in contesting the election processes, vote counting and certification.

You believe what you will, it doesn't matter how much you want it to be true, the Earth is not flat

 

[exdos]

You believe what you will, it doesn't matter how much you want it to be true, the Earth is not flat

I reckon you started the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic: it's got your name written all over it...

 

[sars]

You believe what you will, it doesn't matter how much you want it to be true, the Earth is not flat

I reckon you started the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic: it's got your name written all over it...

Mwahahaha, cough cough cough

 

[Flyingfifer]

It's was neither MSN nor CNN, rather that not one of the eighty six lawsuits filed by Trump and others succeeded in contesting the election processes, vote counting and certification.

You believe what you will, it doesn't matter how much you want it to be true, the Earth is not flat

There are multiple outstanding suits that are ongoing, lots of the cases were inconsequential and raised by private citizens, many poorly crafted and doomed to failure, this was then used to pre-emptively kill of the more seriously constructed cases, also there were cases dismissed solely for being filed too early and others for being filed too late.

Would you support a robust and comprehensive investigation into the election to fully investigate and either prove or disprove the allegations made by Trump and the reps as was done in 2016 for Hilary and the dems?

 

[Nanu]

You could feel the hate for Trump in Nancy Pelosi's voice today when she reacted to Trump being found not guilty yet again. America's version of Bercow. Nasty bit of work.

 

[exdos]

There are multiple outstanding suits that are ongoing, lots of the cases were inconsequential and raised by private citizens, many poorly crafted and doomed to failure, this was then used to pre-emptively kill of the more seriously constructed cases, also there were cases dismissed solely for being filed too early and others for being filed too late.

Would you support a robust and comprehensive investigation into the election to fully investigate and either prove or disprove the allegations made by Trump and the reps as was done in 2016 for Hilary and the dems?

Likewise, throughout his Presidency, the Democrats constantly claimed that Trump only won the 2016 election due to the intervention of the Russians but they were silent about any Russian involvement for Trump's defeat in 2020. It all stinks.

 

[Flyingfifer]

You could feel the hate for Trump in Nancy Pelosi's voice today when she reacted to Trump being found not guilty yet again. America's version of Bercow. Nasty bit of work.

100% he lives rent free in her head although id say Bercow was no where near as spiteful and vindictive there is blatant genuine venom behind her words. I suspect patient zero of TDS

Likewise, throughout his Presidency, the Democrats constantly claimed that Trump only won the 2016 election due to the intervention of the Russians but they were silent about any Russian involvement for Trump's defeat in 2020. It all stinks.

Yep isnt it funny how elections were untrustworthy, open to manipulation and stolen from 2016 to 2020 then then immediately stopped being so and became absolutely infallible and impossible to be manipulated on about Nov 5th

 

[Flyingfifer]

Wild that 3 people died as a result of the protests (1 shot by police, 1 trampled and 1 police hit with a fire extinguisher) another 2 as far as I understand were things like a heart attack, in the capital and that's lead to impeachment calls and branding trump a monster and inciter yadda yadda.... yet during the BLM protests where the dems were all over the place supporting the riots and flagellating themselves more than 25 people died as a direct result of those but there were no widespread condemnations, calls for resignation or arrest.

Really gets the noggin joggin

Trump encouraged protest not violence, thats not a crime and no he shouldn't be impeached.

So with the updates over the last few weeks I need to make a correction to this post.

It appears that the only death as a direct result of the protest was the woman shot by police, the police officer that died DID NOT die of injuries sustained during the protest and it appears that the narrative of him being beaten to death with a fire extinguisher was infact a complete fabrication by the media... colour me surprised.
The other deaths during the day were down to things like heart attacks and other health related issues.

 

[Nanu]

As usual, the media never let truth get in the way of a good story.