Should my Z drive like this?

RCT_Z4Coupe

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 East Sussex
Only owned my Z now for 3 weeks, so not had much of a chance to stretch it's legs on the open road. I did a 600 mile road trip at the weekend (mostly motorway) and was a little surprised by the way if felt on the road. No problem with the sound of the tyre noise on certain road surfaces and the hard ride (you have to remember my other car is a 530D sofa!), but there was a very strange and regular sensation through the steering wheel, where it almost had a mind of it's own. It often twitched from left to right in my hands on seemingly flat, straight, smooth 'A' road surfaces, and on sweeping bends there was often a brief 'tug' at the steering wheel. Is it just tracking uneven surfaces with the wide tyres? For info, the tyres are Michelin Pilot Sports. Other than that, driving it was a blast!
 
Sounds like tramlining. It can be caused by wide tyres following ruts in the road but is exaggerated by runflats.. Are your michelins run flats or standard tyres?
 
JDM said:
Sounds like tramlining. It can be caused by wide tyres following ruts in the road but is exaggerated by runflats.. Are your michelins run flats or standard tyres?

Just checked, and they are 'ZP' run flats
 
When I had RFTs, the tramlining was terrible

A swap for non RFTs can help.

I'm sure some of more technically minded members will be able to offer better advice, as I am not an expert :thumbsup:
 
RCT_Z4Coupe said:
JDM said:
Sounds like tramlining. It can be caused by wide tyres following ruts in the road but is exaggerated by runflats.. Are your michelins run flats or standard tyres?

Just checked, and they are 'ZP' run flats

Think that will most likely be the problem. When I changed from runflats to standard tyres the tramlining was dramtically reduced..

Think that's the only solution really. :)
 
I've got non-RFT winters on and whilst the problem is still there it's barely noticeable now. On the Bridgestones it came with the experience was spooky - like having an invisible gremlin tweaking the wheel every now and then. You do get used to it, just slightly unnerving at speed on a corner. The trick (I have found) is to make sure you're not gripping the wheel too hard and ignore it. And I'll be getting non-RFTs as soon as I need to change the tyres on my summer rims 8)
 
Sadly this is the problem with having wide tyres. Going to non RFT will help.. but it will still be there. Driving a focus with skinny 175 profile tyres down the same road as my car is much more manageable....
 
JDM said:
RCT_Z4Coupe said:
JDM said:
Sounds like tramlining. It can be caused by wide tyres following ruts in the road but is exaggerated by runflats.. Are your michelins run flats or standard tyres?

Just checked, and they are 'ZP' run flats

Think that will most likely be the problem. When I changed from runflats to standard tyres the tramlining was dramtically reduced..

Think that's the only solution really. :)

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I'd be inclined to agree with everyone else... Sounds like tramlining.

I also agree that by removing RFTs you will reduce the effect, but definitely not eliminate it. I have the same effect on my Z4M (but to a lesser extent than that of my Z4 3.0si).
 
Thanks for all the replies! Sadly the Michelin's are pretty much new in each corner, so may have to put up with this issue for a while :(
 
RCT_Z4Coupe said:
Thanks for all the replies! Sadly the Michelin's are pretty much new in each corner, so may have to put up with this issue for a while :(

You can always take them off and sell them on here. There are quite a few members who prefer the runflats over standard tyres.

You should be able to recoup a good portion of the costs for buying new tyres by selling them, especially if they are like new :D
 
Never really noticed tramlining in the Z4 but I think its all relative, its very stable compared to the tramlining of the rx8/type-r and the torque steer of the Megane R26.

I think your experiencing the opposite perspective of me with the wafty 530 at your disposal

Regard

Andy
 
I really don't think this is the tyres, it sounds to me like the "sticky steering" issue.
 
I'd personally leave the RFTs on the car. I found when moving from RFTs to standard tyres on my 3.0si that the turn-in was dramatically reduced (to the point where I actually had less confidence in the car's handling abilities).

As Andy says, it's all relative. I found my Astra VXR tramlined slightly less than the Z4, but then the Z4 had wider tyres. It is quite annoying though if you're like me, and tend to stick to 70mph on the motorway (and hence typically in the first lane).
 
Sticky steering was only an issue on pre-facelift cars. As far as I am aware its a re-designed steering column on the facelifts (which obviously the coupe is)..

I stick by my original claim..
 
I suggest that you also check your air pressure. When I obtained my car earlier this year the dealer had the tire pressure set to 34 PSI on all tires (OEM Bridgestone RFT). When I changed it to 33F/38R as per the manual, there was a dramatic reduction in the 'twitchiness'. I'm quite happy with the car's handling now.
 
Swap out the runflats, you'll find a ready market on ebay.Fit some quality non runflats, ( I have Goodyear F1 asymetricals) , then get a 4 wheel alignment done ( the rear is adjustable too) and you'll find it all but goes away. With a sports car with big wheels and low profile tyres will always be a bit of a hanfull in the UK's knackered roads,especially on the nearside lane of most motorways and dual carriageways where the trucks have made ruts.I remember a truckie mate of mine telling me of a stretch of motorway where you can take your hands off the steering wheel for miles in a 44 tonner cos the ruts are so deep.I just stay in the outside lane when the ruts are bad as the car ican be scary to drive at speed.
 
Its the runflats, my car acts exactly the same as how you described it. You do eventually get used to it (ive had mine 12 months) and it becomes less un-nerving but still does annoy me now and again. I bought my car with new-ish potenza runflats so waiting for them wearing down so I can replace with non-runflats.
 
Also, try a four wheel laser alignment, that certainly helped improve the tramlining on mine when the bushes had been changed!
 
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