Shell V Power and the M

Bigpow

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I don't have a local shell to me but the last time I was in Truro with the Z I filled up and drove back to west wales. The difference was amazing I even thought my tyres were bald because the back end was breaking away so much (not a bad thing controlled).

Tescos is the nearest higher octane I can find but it has no where near the same effect...

Do you think it's just my mind playing tricks or does it generate the full Hp of the engine ?.

Anyone else see this effect ?
 
its got some nice cleaning qualities to it... I've only ever used it as my fuel on the z4, i mix it with a race unleaded from shell.
 
Bigpow said:
I don't have a local shell to me but the last time I was in Truro with the Z I filled up and drove back to west wales. The difference was amazing I even thought my tyres were bald because the back end was breaking away so much (not a bad thing controlled).

Tescos is the nearest higher octane I can find but it has no where near the same effect...

Do you think it's just my mind playing tricks or does it generate the full Hp of the engine ?.

Anyone else see this effect ?

It should give an extra few bhp after running with a few tankfulls of the stuff to give the adaptives time to change but it's not going to be a dramatic increase, cars running forced induction will stand to gain more from it.
Regards
 
The difference between fuels (especially those of different octane) was more obvious in my old TT as it was FI. My ///M is always run on V Power except for rare occasions driving in Europe when it is unavailable. I can detect a difference, but the magnitude of the drop in power with other fuels is similar to that found when driving on a hot day vs a cold damp day.
 
I always use the best I can get, but it doesn't really make much difference whatever I put in it.

Are you sure that you didn't buy any lead-soled shoes in Truro? :lol:
 
I'm sure I've read a few consumer tests that ran some proper tests and showed absolutely no performance difference at all....and it's just marketing hype that we all seem to fall for?!!
 
Angelus666 said:
I'm sure I've read a few consumer tests that ran some proper tests and showed absolutely no performance difference at all....and it's just marketing hype that we all seem to fall for?!!

Would have to agree with this. I think OEM cars unless specified for 98/99 ron (I'm sure the S54 is advised for 95 and over) doesn't retard the ignition to avoid detonation. Some time back I was at MRC tuning to remap our old RS6 and they confirmed this, unless the car was tuned to a certain fuel there's no benefit to performance apart from the cleaning properties of V-power. If however your car is mapped to 98/99 and you put 95 in you can expect some issues.
 
The manual states:

"The engine of your BMW Z4 M Roadster or Z4 M Coupé is designed to run on :

Superplus/premium plus petrol, octane number 98 RON.
Fill up with fuel of this grade whenever possible, so that the nominal performance and fuel consumption values are achieved.

The minimum permissible grade is:

Premium-grade unleaded petrol, octane number 95 RON."

I was of the understanding that, as the S54 is a high compression engine, the M does benefit from higher octane fuel beyond the benefits from improved additives for keeping it clean. Certainly many people on here have said that the engine does not run well on anything less than super. I use v-power because that's (almost) all it's ever had in it. The key word in the above is 'designed'.
 
I'm a Momentum user, as I was in my M3. As long as you stick to 98+ you should be fine. 95 is the minimum grade.
Stevo
 
Back to V power at the moment. It is good fuel. Won"t make your car go any faster than Tesco super though. :wink:
 
Wondered about this when I got the car. Says 95 to 98 RON inside the petrol cap but we have been putting 99 RON in when possible.

Can't do any harm can it.

H.
 
Bigpow said:
Thinking about it there is the weight difference and the I'm nearly home effect I dare say...

agree with the weight difference, the extra price of super unleaded definately strips pounds from the wallet! :rofl:
regards
 
Hopefully I can shed a bit of light on this... Back in the day, I did some durability testing on the S54 engine and from the factory it had one of the best adaptive strategies for controlling ignition by using knock sensors - it really could throw in and drag out spark timing with varying fuel quality. So, in theory, you could see a difference in performance from high octane fuels.

However, a good fuel isn't just about octane, it's also about heating value or the energy in the fuel along with a whole set of other parameters. All UK fuels have to comply with standards which have nominal values for octane and heating value and there are also standards for some physical values depending on time of year so that cars start in winter and summer. So, some fuels might have a high octane rating and (relatively) low heating value by using ethanol as an octane booster - great for octane but low in heating value. Others might use aromatic components to achieve high octane AND high heating value, but that also depends on the supplying refinery.

Also, most fuel manufacturers will have their own additive pack to make their fuels different - Shell does, so do BP. These are detergents usually (to keep injectors clean) and other things like potassium to protect exhaust valves.
Trouble is that most fuels need a good few tankfuls to feel the full effect with some engines responding better than others.

Truth is the S54 likes octane - it's a high performance engine so I'll be buying 98 Octane whenever I can from a major supplier to hopefully keep injectors and inlet valves clean...! 95 RON isn't going to do any harm at all as the engine management will adapt.

Interestingly, formula one engines (V10 and V8s that were normally aspirated) didn't need high octane as their engine speed was so fast (18000+++) in 2006 that detonation didn't have time to happen - heating value was the dominant factor there.
 
BMWZ4MC said:
The difference between fuels (especially those of different octane) was more obvious in my old TT as it was FI. My ///M is always run on V Power except for rare occasions driving in Europe when it is unavailable. I can detect a difference, but the magnitude of the drop in power with other fuels is similar to that found when driving on a hot day vs a cold damp day.

I take it all back - I had to use Esso Momentum (97 Octane I think) at the weekend and the car was on really good form (admittedly I was ragging the nuts off it so I probably would've had fun even if I'd filled it with paraffin :evil: ).

Mikey_Boy, interesting reading :thumbsup:
 
It was probably my mind playing tricks on me or external factors at play, but the last time I put a full tank of V Power in the car felt noticeably rougher than normal... I noticed the difference at the time and was a little concerned, ran it dry and then put in BP Ultimate and it's been as smooth as owt ever since, for a good 6 months. I'll now drive past a Shell garage to go to a BP station even if I'm running on fumes! It's probably all in my head but there was definitely something noticeably different whilst there was V Power in there.
 
Haha I reckon there'd be an empty space in that picture where a Z4 used to be if I'd put in diesel in! And I'd have swiftly taken a long walk offof a short pier
 
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