Second Scottish IndyRef

[exdos]

2 questions:
1. If Sturgeon can find a way of Scotland remaining in the EU after obtaining independence, or if that's not possible under EU rules, rejoining the EU sometime after a successful independence referendum, then does Scotland expect to retain £ Sterling as Scottish currency or would it seek to join the Euro as its currency?

2. In view of Scotland's geographic location, where the port of Leith is at least 450miles from the nearest part of mainland Europe, and a similar distance via road through England to the channel tunnel, which gives access to the central and more southern parts of Europe, would an independent Scotland expect to be able to bring goods into and out of Scotland on the English road network for free, or would it accept its "island status" and make the sea its main means of travel between Scotland and the rest of EU countries? I would hope that the remaining UK without Scotland would charge swingeing fees with appropriate border controls and vehicle inspections at both the English/Scottish border and at the Channel tunnel and other UK ports.

 

[Mad Professor]

Nicola Surgeon isn't as tactically smart as i thought she was -because i don't believe Scots would ever want to be tagged to the Euro if they remain in the EU and split from the UK -and Scots have already had a recent reality check with the oil price crashing .SNP would have to markedly increase tax to make the books balance as an independent nation within the EU and that being the case Scotland would have difficulty attracting investment and a lot of smart professional people would move to England . If Scotland became independent and also left the UK it would become like Greece within 10 years as its simply not viable . Aside from farming , fishing ,oil and financial services and a couple of decent Univerisities , it just doesnt have the clout to compete on its own -unless perhaps it became a tax haven to attract a lot of outside investment -but the SNP would never allow that to happen .

 

[MefiEcosse]

This thread is interesting reading!

 

[BrianD]

This thread is interesting reading!

Like it

 

[jamesbond]

Hello forum members ... just my thoughts and just my opinion

I think the worry for Gibraltar knowing the UK is coming out of EU is it is now vulnerable to Spain seeking at least part sovereignty which they do not want. As for Sturgeon, I understand the Scots are in no mood for further referendums – they said in the telegraph today that she would need to be confident of a 60% vote and she is currently nowhere near that – as i have read in various papers it was 45%. Also they mentioned that the value of oil revenue in Scotland has dropped from £2.2 billion to just £130 million this year, they would lose the Barnet formula losing £15 billion per year (I doubt the EU will replace that), have to enter the € (disaster), pay annual fees of 1.5 billion – on top of that if the UK starts to grow as single nation then I doubt the Scots will vote to leave. They would have to increase their taxes hugely and what would the EU give them really except total governing control

They also got a reasonable deal through devolution and we just continue to send the cheques up to Scotland.

Sturgeon is no fool, she will play it by ear but continue to antagonise Westminster, timing for her will be everything, she may achieve the same fate as Cameron – hopefully – annoying woman.

best regards

 

[skelters]

Went away to watch the football then walked the dog.

Come back here and it's went all outraged Daily Mail readers from the Historic Market Town of Fuckwittington on Sea!

Scottish Independence is coming despite what the Unionist media report, or should that be tell you what your point of view is.

£350 million a week that could be spent on the NHS. Read that in Telegraph so it must be true! They wouldn't lie to us would they?! I wouldn't have that rancid Tory rag in the house never mind believe anything in it.

Next they'll be telling us to bow down to our Colonial Masters!

Aye, and then yer arse fell aff!

 

[firebobby]

Went away to watch the football then walked the dog.

Come back here and it's went all outraged Daily Mail readers from the Historic Market Town of Fuckwittington on Sea!

Scottish Independence is coming despite what the Unionist media report, or should that be tell you what your point of view is.

£350 million a week that could be spent on the NHS. Read that in Telegraph so it must be true! They wouldn't lie to us would they?! I wouldn't have that rancid Tory rag in the house never mind believe anything in it.

Next they'll be telling us to bow down to our Colonial Masters!

Aye, and then yer arse fell aff!

WOW!! you are so angry bud,
we are coming up to Scotland this year for a 2 week holiday (see family in the highlands too) but better steer clear of Greenock

 

[ronk]

What ever happened to old Alex Salmond?
I know he hoyed the towel in but he was never off the telly - now he's disappeared!

 

[skelters]

Went away to watch the football then walked the dog.

Come back here and it's went all outraged Daily Mail readers from the Historic Market Town of Fuckwittington on Sea!

Scottish Independence is coming despite what the Unionist media report, or should that be tell you what your point of view is.

£350 million a week that could be spent on the NHS. Read that in Telegraph so it must be true! They wouldn't lie to us would they?! I wouldn't have that rancid Tory rag in the house never mind believe anything in it.

Next they'll be telling us to bow down to our Colonial Masters!

Aye, and then yer arse fell aff!

WOW!! you are so angry bud,
we are coming up to Scotland this year for a 2 week holiday (see family in the highlands too) but better steer clear of Greenock

Not angry at all actually. I find it all very funny that we get the experts telling us what's right and what's wrong, what will and won't work.

Already had two years prior to the Referendum in 2014 being told Scotland would be a basket etc. Then the EU Referendum which we didn't want and have rejected.

Scotland has had years of English colonial rule. It's now coming to an end whether Westminster or outraged from Arsefelching on the Haemorrhoid wants to believe it. Wait until the Welsh and Irish wake up too! Interesting times ahead.


You'll enjoy Scotland it's a great place. It rains, there's midges that will eat you alive, castles, some great roads, wonderful people and some of the greatest scenery anywhere in the world, fantastic food too. Everyone is always made welcome.

 

[skelters]

What ever happened to old Alex Salmond?
I know he hoyed the towel in but he was never off the telly - now he's disappeared!

Alex Salmond is currently the MP for the Gordon area and is regularly at Westminster along with the other 55 Scottish MP's.

 

[Nictrix]

Hello forum members ... just my thoughts and just my opinion

If your thoughts are anything like your 35IS experience you will be changing your mind tomorrow

 

[ronk]

He's gone very quiet !
(Salmond that is )

 

[firebobby]

Went away to watch the football then walked the dog.

Come back here and it's went all outraged Daily Mail readers from the Historic Market Town of Fuckwittington on Sea!

Scottish Independence is coming despite what the Unionist media report, or should that be tell you what your point of view is.

£350 million a week that could be spent on the NHS. Read that in Telegraph so it must be true! They wouldn't lie to us would they?! I wouldn't have that rancid Tory rag in the house never mind believe anything in it.

Next they'll be telling us to bow down to our Colonial Masters!

Aye, and then yer arse fell aff!

WOW!! you are so angry bud,
we are coming up to Scotland this year for a 2 week holiday (see family in the highlands too) but better steer clear of Greenock

You'll enjoy Scotland it's a great place. It rains, there's midges that will eat you alive, castles, some great roads, wonderful people and some of the greatest scenery anywhere in the world, fantastic food too. Everyone is always made welcome.

No Mate, their not.
Have family (in laws) and have visited over many years and can say that there is an anti English feel among certain people up there now. Not helped by films like Brave heart and the SNP. Some of the stuff you have written on here worries me too, language like " bow down to our Colonial Masters " We are in 2016, not 1716.
I have always loved the scenery, culture, and can now understand the broad tones of my Aberdonian inlaws (not easy at first)

 

[craig3.2]

Went away to watch the football then walked the dog.

Come back here and it's went all outraged Daily Mail readers from the Historic Market Town of Fuckwittington on Sea!

Scottish Independence is coming despite what the Unionist media report, or should that be tell you what your point of view is.

£350 million a week that could be spent on the NHS. Read that in Telegraph so it must be true! They wouldn't lie to us would they?! I wouldn't have that rancid Tory rag in the house never mind believe anything in it.

Next they'll be telling us to bow down to our Colonial Masters!

Aye, and then yer arse fell aff!

WOW!! you are so angry bud,
we are coming up to Scotland this year for a 2 week holiday (see family in the highlands too) but better steer clear of Greenock

Not angry at all actually. I find it all very funny that we get the experts telling us what's right and what's wrong, what will and won't work.

Already had two years prior to the Referendum in 2014 being told Scotland would be a basket etc. Then the EU Referendum which we didn't want and have rejected.

Scotland has had years of English colonial rule. It's now coming to an end whether Westminster or outraged from Arsefelching on the Haemorrhoid wants to believe it. Wait until the Welsh and Irish wake up too! Interesting times ahead.


You'll enjoy Scotland it's a great place. It rains, there's midges that will eat you alive, castles, some great roads, wonderful people and some of the greatest scenery anywhere in the world, fantastic food too. Everyone is always made welcome.

You are angry in your posts,skelters.

And please stop saying Scotland as "we" didn't want an EU referendum..... plenty of us Scots did,hence why 38% voted Leave.
I believe the UK as a whole are able to stand on our own two feet,so to speak,as we did for hundreds f years before being ruled by Europe,being told what policies we have to abide by,re fishing rights,imigration,etc etc!!

As Patriotic as I am,i feel Scotland should have been Independent 50years ago,when we could have had alot of revenue from oil profits,and do what Norway etc did,putting some away for times like now,where the Oil industry in Scotland has fallen financially .....but Westminster didn't put any money by,and just spent it all elsewhere...
so I do not think Scotland can afford to stand alone.
Also,the SNP want to Increase benefits for those who are on the poverty line,and are long term unemployed.
While plenty of people are genuinely unable to work,or can't get a decent job,pllenty claim benefits who say they are unable to work,but just too lazy!!
And Sturgeon and co want to tax us workers more or raise Council tax to pay these lazy gits more.
Not to mention they also want "even more migrant workers to come to Scotland".
That's just what we need.....not!! We already have lack of housing,and jobs,and way too many immigrants here sponging off us,which is crippling the NHS,etc.

That's why myself and alot of others (55%)voted to stay in the UK.......we need Armed forces,Navy etc and this would cost an independent Scotland Millions of pounds it just wouldn't have available.

Anyway,like others have said,i am getting fed up with Referendums and voting time and again.
I hope we don't have another Indy vote,as people are voting from the heart (Patriotism ) or who want to stay in the EU(which may not happen anyway,as Europe has told us,the UK as a whole,including Scotland,to leave asap!!).

People need to wake up to what an Indy Scotland would mean,ruled by the SNP......more taxation,more immigrants,No armed forces that could defend us,No Nuclear sub bases or Navy bases including the jobs they all provide.....No Nuclear power or Coal(we now have to buy Electricity from England).
Is that really worth the price of Independence??
I don't think it is,personally.

P.s,i used to vote SNP,before you accuse me of being against them.....I just don't agree with their policies,and the fact that they couldn't give a definitive answer where all the money we need to stand alone will come from!! Certainly not Oil now!!

 

[Mr Tidy]

Went away to watch the football then walked the dog.

Come back here and it's went all outraged Daily Mail readers from the Historic Market Town of Fuckwittington on Sea!

Scottish Independence is coming despite what the Unionist media report, or should that be tell you what your point of view is.

£350 million a week that could be spent on the NHS. Read that in Telegraph so it must be true! They wouldn't lie to us would they?! I wouldn't have that rancid Tory rag in the house never mind believe anything in it.

Next they'll be telling us to bow down to our Colonial Masters!

Aye, and then yer arse fell aff!

WOW!! you are so angry bud,
we are coming up to Scotland this year for a 2 week holiday (see family in the highlands too) but better steer clear of Greenock

Not angry at all actually. I find it all very funny that we get the experts telling us what's right and what's wrong, what will and won't work.

Already had two years prior to the Referendum in 2014 being told Scotland would be a basket etc. Then the EU Referendum which we didn't want and have rejected.

Scotland has had years of English colonial rule. It's now coming to an end whether Westminster or outraged from Arsefelching on the Haemorrhoid wants to believe it. Wait until the Welsh and Irish wake up too! Interesting times ahead.


You'll enjoy Scotland it's a great place. It rains, there's midges that will eat you alive, castles, some great roads, wonderful people and some of the greatest scenery anywhere in the world, fantastic food too. Everyone is always made welcome.

Not watching Scotland in the football then!

To be fair you do seem pretty irritated by the EU referendum that "you" didn't want, but then there are about 4 million voters in Scotland whereas there were over 46 million in the UK so unless the tail is supposed to wag the dog you surely have to accept the majority view, even if you don't like it!

So what happened to the UK referendum on whether the other 42 million people wanted Scotland to remain a part of the UK Ms Sturgeon? Surely time to campaign for that; the UK majority has already demonstrated that they don't want to bail out the failing EU states so maybe the majority of the UK is getting tired of bailing out the Scots as well!

Good luck with the EU membership application!

 

[craig3.2]

I suppose this post is directed mainly at skelters and AlfaScozzesi but others may also have opinions on the matter...

First of all, I'd like to say that this isn't meant to be provocative or inflammatory, it's really to try to understand the logic behind some of the posts that have been made over the last day-or-so

I don't have any problem accepting that an independent Scotland could, at the very worst, make ends meet and survive as an independent country but, given that

- In the Independence Referendum the vote split was 55% to 45% in favour of remaining a member of the UK
- In the EU Referendum the vote split in Scotland was 62% to 38% in favour of remaining a member of the EU



Why did u single out Alfascosezi and skelters for opinions??

 

[craig3.2]

WOW!! you are so angry bud,
we are coming up to Scotland this year for a 2 week holiday (see family in the highlands too) but better steer clear of Greenock

Not angry at all actually. I find it all very funny that we get the experts telling us what's right and what's wrong, what will and won't work.

Already had two years prior to the Referendum in 2014 being told Scotland would be a basket etc. Then the EU Referendum which we didn't want and have rejected.

Scotland has had years of English colonial rule. It's now coming to an end whether Westminster or outraged from Arsefelching on the Haemorrhoid wants to believe it. Wait until the Welsh and Irish wake up too! Interesting times ahead.


You'll enjoy Scotland it's a great place. It rains, there's midges that will eat you alive, castles, some great roads, wonderful people and some of the greatest scenery anywhere in the world, fantastic food too. Everyone is always made welcome.

Not watching Scotland in the football then!

To be fair you do seem pretty irritated by the EU referendum that "you" didn't want, but then there are about 4 million voters in Scotland whereas there were over 46 million in the UK so unless the tail is supposed to wag the dog you surely have to accept the majority view, even if you don't like it!

So what happened to the UK referendum on whether the other 42 million people wanted Scotland to remain a part of the UK Ms Sturgeon? Surely time to campaign for that; the UK majority has already demonstrated that they don't want to bail out the failing EU states so maybe the majority of the UK is getting tired of bailing out the Scots as well!

Good luck with the EU membership application!

Mr tidy.....no need to bring up the fact that alot of English/non Scottish voters may have wanted Scotland to leave ,as many would want the exact opposite.
Scotland currently gets more money per head than UK as a whole,but London gets considerably more spent on it than anywhere else in the rest of the UK!!
Also,the wealthiest area in the UK,outside of London ,is Aberdeenshire!!
Due to the oil,which put alot more in over the years than Scotland now gets back !!

Westminster should have put some of the Oil revenue way for tough times,i..e falling Oil prices,and job losses in North sea oil industry,but it didn't......so Scotland suffers as a result of various London based governments spending that revenue on other things!!

 

[Mr Tidy]

Mr tidy.....no need to bring up the fact that alot of English/non Scottish voters may have wanted Scotland to leave ,as many would want the exact opposite.
Scotland currently gets more money per head than UK as a whole,but London gets considerably more spent on it than anywhere else in the rest of the UK!!
Also,the wealthiest area in the UK,outside of London ,is Aberdeenshire!!
Due to the oil,which put alot more in over the years than Scotland now gets back !!

Westminster should have put some of the Oil revenue way for tough times,i..e falling Oil prices,and job losses in North sea oil industry,but it didn't......so Scotland suffers as a result of various London based governments spending that revenue on other things!!

I know what you mean about London, but what exactly is it spent on? No usable roads - it must have less motorways than Manchester! :lol:

And I would definitely have saved a bit of the oil revenue for a rainy day!

I think the whole of the UK suffers from the London-centric approach of the old Etonians, but then it does have a population approaching 10 million which is around one-sixth of the whole of the UK! (Don't know why exactly as most of it is pretty miserable)!

 

[dans6490]

Oh dear........

 

[Angie4m]

Why did u single out Alfascosezi and skelters for opinions??

Because those two started banging on about it as soon as it was a leave vote in other threads.

In fact in one thread where we have been told it is happening, I questioned says who and quoting the 'it's on the table and needs to be discussed' to be told 'says me' so that'll be the gospel then!

Its been reported in the press that if it was to happen they would want to make sure there was an appetite to win it, currently doesn't seem to be and it would possibly be 2020 before it would happen. Plus we'll be out the EU, we wouldn't just get back in, where's the money coming from? What currency will we use etc........basically the same questions from before that they (the SNP) couldn't answer really.

The majority of what I've read is useless guff spouted by others who have talked/typed so much of it that they actually believe that the made up bull in their heads is fact. They'd do well in politics cause they also live in fantasy lands and twist everything to their own agenda.

It's quite a dangerous topic really as it does bring out the worst in people especially those who'll claim they aren't 'anti English' but 'pro scottish' so it seems to make it alright to make bigoted and archaic comments. There is no need for it, there is no room for it on here or outside in the real world.

I too was like you Craig and had voted SNP for over 10 years but after the last referendum I started to question some of their policies and logic and until they can give proper answers to pretty difficult questions I'm not voting for them again.