Ruby Black respray
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I've had the front done again since, and one side from my truck incident, but will probably get it done again this/next year as the 20k+ a year takes it's toll on the paintwork.
If my first experience was anything to go by (at a BMW bodyshop & rectified without fuss, plus a courtesy Mini for 2 weeks) then make sure they remember it's RUBY black, not CARBON black!
If you get it back and it's dark or wet, then ask to see it under fluorescent/bodyshop lights
If my first experience was anything to go by (at a BMW bodyshop & rectified without fuss, plus a courtesy Mini for 2 weeks) then make sure they remember it's RUBY black, not CARBON black!
If you get it back and it's dark or wet, then ask to see it under fluorescent/bodyshop lights
First time was just bumper, before I put the paintshield on it, and was about £400 at BMW.
The wings were done as part of a repair job when a lorry scraped one side, and I paid £200 on top of the insurance bill to get the 2nd wing done at a BMW bodyshop whilst it was in for the other work. The paintshield was removed after this because the insurance company wouldn't pay the £700 to get it all refitted as it was an undeclared modification
2nd time was £250 for just the bumper, but that was at Gaskill's Motor Bodies near Blackburn.
Next time it will have to be wings, bumper & bonnet I think - although don't know when I'll get round to it as it's a daily driver, and I'll probably make do with a full paint correction detail for now.
The wings were done as part of a repair job when a lorry scraped one side, and I paid £200 on top of the insurance bill to get the 2nd wing done at a BMW bodyshop whilst it was in for the other work. The paintshield was removed after this because the insurance company wouldn't pay the £700 to get it all refitted as it was an undeclared modification
2nd time was £250 for just the bumper, but that was at Gaskill's Motor Bodies near Blackburn.
Next time it will have to be wings, bumper & bonnet I think - although don't know when I'll get round to it as it's a daily driver, and I'll probably make do with a full paint correction detail for now.
I have the same problem with mine - daily driver. The only time I could book it in is if we go away on holiday, which I did with my last car, but takes some organising and of course it might sit outside for a week in an insecure car park...
Just interested as if I got mine done it would bonnet, bumper and wings. Which I guess would be quite pricey if you then include some form of paint correction / detail for the rest of the car.
Just interested as if I got mine done it would bonnet, bumper and wings. Which I guess would be quite pricey if you then include some form of paint correction / detail for the rest of the car.
There's usually a relatively good discount if you're getting multiple parts sprayed at the same time as the bodyshop can mix a larger amount of paint more easily, and waste less, plus there's less changeover time between jobs of different paints.
I'd guess you could get bumper, bonnet & both wings done for £700-ish - but you may want to simply fill any little chips yourself and then get the whole lot machine polished or corrected for about half the price.
I'd guess you could get bumper, bonnet & both wings done for £700-ish - but you may want to simply fill any little chips yourself and then get the whole lot machine polished or corrected for about half the price.
mad4slalom
Senior member
the one problem with ruby black paint, ............... its not carbon black !!! 
.....just teasing, I did a bare metal repaint years ago on a 911S , it came to me stripped already , so did the weeks of prep , finally got it in colour, phoned the cusromer to come and see it as he had done all through the job, he took one look and said, the colour's wrong, no I said, it just the spray booth lights, I'll put it outside..... then he said, The colour's definately wrong, !!! turns out when i ordered Guards red' the paint suppliers had buggerd up the mix, Doh !! ' negotiated a fully stocked ici 2k mixing scheme as compensation for having to paint the car again, from experience , paint matching of metalics , does'nt seem to be the problem it used to be, good luck.
.....just teasing, I did a bare metal repaint years ago on a 911S , it came to me stripped already , so did the weeks of prep , finally got it in colour, phoned the cusromer to come and see it as he had done all through the job, he took one look and said, the colour's wrong, no I said, it just the spray booth lights, I'll put it outside..... then he said, The colour's definately wrong, !!! turns out when i ordered Guards red' the paint suppliers had buggerd up the mix, Doh !! ' negotiated a fully stocked ici 2k mixing scheme as compensation for having to paint the car again, from experience , paint matching of metalics , does'nt seem to be the problem it used to be, good luck. got a few tiny stonechips on the bumper as well ...
can u not order original paint from BMW and give it to the bodyshop@? thats what I was thinking .. the guy from the bodyshop said he can mix the colour a lot cheaper, but I m worried it will not match, although he 's done two of our other ex cars pretty well. ... how does it work with paint mixing ? do BMW keep them already pre-mixed?
can u not order original paint from BMW and give it to the bodyshop@? thats what I was thinking .. the guy from the bodyshop said he can mix the colour a lot cheaper, but I m worried it will not match, although he 's done two of our other ex cars pretty well. ... how does it work with paint mixing ? do BMW keep them already pre-mixed?
The only thing you'll get pre-mixed is the touch-up pens/sprays, which are not baked dry so have to have a air-drying/evaporating solvent in them.
When you take the car to a bodyshop (BMW or otherwise), they will look up the exact mixing scheme for that specific colour. Sometimes they'll even be using the same base, colour & lacquer as OEM - sometimes they'll have an equivalent mix from another paint manufacturer.
Ultimately, it's up to them to get the match correct. If it isn't correct then they'd have to rectify at their cost.
The other issue with some colours is that 5 year old paint, no matter how carefully looked after, will not be the same as brand new paint. So they will try to mix is to match the paint on the car, rather than factory paint.
I've seen a Sebring Grey e34 M5 Touring that was in for a restoration where there were 6 different shades on it as the owner had done a couple of panels at a time when they needed doing.
When you take the car to a bodyshop (BMW or otherwise), they will look up the exact mixing scheme for that specific colour. Sometimes they'll even be using the same base, colour & lacquer as OEM - sometimes they'll have an equivalent mix from another paint manufacturer.
Ultimately, it's up to them to get the match correct. If it isn't correct then they'd have to rectify at their cost.
The other issue with some colours is that 5 year old paint, no matter how carefully looked after, will not be the same as brand new paint. So they will try to mix is to match the paint on the car, rather than factory paint.
I've seen a Sebring Grey e34 M5 Touring that was in for a restoration where there were 6 different shades on it as the owner had done a couple of panels at a time when they needed doing.
mad4slalom
Senior member
even if you had a tin of paint from the original batch, it doesnt guarantee a perfect match, as diferrent nozzles and air caps, hotter spraying conditions, higher air pressure etc etc can cause colour differences. i remember having a capri painted many years ago , they had the fuel flap off the car hanging up ,it was sprayed at the same time as the car, the same number of coats, when it was refitted to the car it was a mismatch.... it had been hung the wrong way up , so when turned through 180 degrees the metalic flakes looked different to the rest of the car, used to really niggle me. the od fashioned nitro cellulose systems dried by evaporation of the solvent, the gun finish synthetics , air dried by oxidation of the binder, whereas the modern 2 pack systems are chemically hardened with the addition of an isocyanate hardener / thinner and low bake oven process. matching techniques as i stated in other paint related posts from what i have seen are not half as much of a problem as they used to be. Solid reds used to be an absolute nightmare as they woud drop, ie darken as they dried often over a few months, we have all seen cars that have had various panels repainted that may have been a perfect match when they came out of the painshop, but see that car 6 months down the line, especially under orange street lamps and it would look a patchwork of diffierent shades of red. this also applied to any colours with red in the mix, ie beiges for one so I quickly realised that it was a trade in which it is very hard to keep people happy in, as cars that had gone out perfect, to customers that were absolutely thrilled at the time , would later be a mobile advert for your bodyshop that ended up looking like you had put out a car with a terrible colour match. the job that convinced me of that was a convertible morris minor, in rose taupe, a sort of pinky ,peaty, monkey s**t brown colour, i repaired the rusty sills and edges of the wings and blew in the bottom 18 inches all around, the match was 100% spot on and even I as the sprayer couldnt see it. 6 months later, that car looked like it had been blown in by a novice with an aerosol. I now move pianos for a living, much easier,..........till you get stuck on a fire escape with a seven foot bechstien and the sky opens up. 
mad4slalom
Senior member
even if you had a tin of paint from the original batch, it doesnt guarantee a perfect match, as diferrent nozzles and air caps, hotter spraying conditions, higher air pressure etc etc can cause colour differences. i remember having a capri painted many years ago , they had the fuel flap off the car hanging up ,it was sprayed at the same time as the car, the same number of coats, when it was refitted to the car it was a mismatch.... it had been hung the wrong way up , so when turned through 180 degrees the metalic flakes looked different to the rest of the car, used to really niggle me. the od fashioned nitro cellulose systems dried by evaporation of the solvent, the gun finish synthetics , air dried by oxidation of the binder, whereas the modern 2 pack systems are chemically hardened with the addition of an isocyanate hardener / thinner and low bake oven process. matching techniques as i stated in other paint related posts from what i have seen are not half as much of a problem as they used to be. Solid reds used to be an absolute nightmare as they woud drop, ie darken as they dried often over a few months, we have all seen cars that have had various panels repainted that may have been a perfect match when they came out of the painshop, but see that car 6 months down the line, especially under orange street lamps and it would look a patchwork of diffierent shades of red. this also applied to any colours with red in the mix, ie beiges for one so I quickly realised that it was a trade in which it is very hard to keep people happy in, as cars that had gone out perfect, to customers that were absolutely thrilled at the time , would later be a mobile advert for your bodyshop that ended up looking like you had put out a car with a terrible colour match. the job that convinced me of that was a convertible morris minor, in rose taupe, a sort of pinky ,peaty, monkey s**t brown colour, i repaired the rusty sills and edges of the wings and blew in the bottom 18 inches all around, the match was 100% spot on and even I as the sprayer couldnt see it. 6 months later, that car looked like it had been blown in by a novice with an aerosol. I now move pianos for a living, much easier,..........till you get stuck on a fire escape with a seven foot bechstien and the sky opens up.
mad4slalom
Senior member
oops posted twice 