To add to the value debate in an idle 1/2 hour I was looking at "modern classic" prices ; a good mileage ( less then 50k) MK 1 Focus RS is around 14-15 K from a dealer. That makes a Z4MR a staggeringly good buy in comparison . Yet it's the RS that gets multiple articles written about future values.
RS vs Z4MR
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Yes, the Z4M Roadster seems to be under appreciated among the press who are tipping the 'next big thing'. The Coupe is getting all the recommendations at present.
My Supervisor at Volvo where i work bought a Mk 1 Rs focus about 3 years ago and was banging on about how its time to snap them up he paid £10k for his. Another supervisor has the Mk2 Rs focus so theres always debates which is better on track both owned by mechanics. Far less Mk1 were built so prices will just keep apperiating good. I've driven both I much prefer the tweeked S40 volvo engined Mk2. A ford racing puma if you can find a good one is also great ford to drive and collect not many of them were made.
Fishy Dave said:
really dont know why.... the z4m platform is so good that in either roadster/ coupe the drive is identical.... this isn't like the z3 days of floppy chassis, in this platform at least its purely down to the one you prefer to own or prefer the looks of... The coupe is a beauty, to my eyes the roadster with the roof down and those little covers in place is just perfect, to others its not as pure as the coupe which is a fair argument.. i can see so much of the 507 in the z4m roadster, i saw a pic of them side by side and the DNA was so clear and i LOVE that,.
i really dont get the z4mR lack of love from the collectors POV, i read an article you linked and it really just outlined why i fell for the car in the first place, one of the best articles I've read for the car.
A lot of a cars value is branding. The RS brand is a stronger brand than ///M amongst most people. Certainly in theses days when it's hard to know where a boggo 1,2,3 or 4 series stops and ///M starts. With ford an RS is still a special addition. With BMW it just an over used badge much of the time. :thumbsdown:
buzyg said:
yeah.... good point. Ford really have kept the RS the top top performance brand.... you dont seem them using it for marketing on the lower models, the ///M has been so diluted by the trim level using ///M., i cant begin to recall how many people have asked me..... did they do a z4m??
Beedub Even if it was 18k for a sub 59k Z4MR considering these were high high 40s new - they've not fared well in comparison to the RS Focus - which is frankly bizarre. Modern Classics this month are talking about future value on the 1M as being 65k in 5 years ... 
It's a strange old market out there at the moment .
It's a strange old market out there at the moment .
ZermattV said:Beedub Even if it was 18k for a sub 59k Z4MR considering these were high high 40s new - they've not fared well in comparison to the RS Focus - which is frankly bizarre. Modern Classics this month are talking about future value on the 1M as being 65k in 5 years ...
It's a strange old market out there at the moment .
That I don't understand, given that the M2 seems to be everything the 1M was and more.
having previously owned a highly modded ST225 with rebuilt RS motor, NOS, plus loads of other mods and then selling and owning a Z4M, my honest opinion is that the fords are nice, brutal character, its a great car that makes a wicked sound from that 5pot as well but if you looking for a car thats going to challenge you as a driver, the Z4M is the better drivers machine... plus fords have shitty turning circles.
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Agree ref branding
But M performance is actually only in the UK.
To keep the muppets happy to have a new wheel or plague car with mini M badges
I hate them
As it cheapens the M power Brand
Would I want a little RS over my M?
Not a freaking chance in hell
Money isn't everything my cars still got low low miles and I'll happily drive it and pass an RS without realising as it's nothing special to look it
Only the engine is
But M performance is actually only in the UK.
To keep the muppets happy to have a new wheel or plague car with mini M badges
I hate them
As it cheapens the M power Brand
Would I want a little RS over my M?
Not a freaking chance in hell
Money isn't everything my cars still got low low miles and I'll happily drive it and pass an RS without realising as it's nothing special to look it
Only the engine is
That's normal! The coupe is more exclusive because it was only available in a 3.0 and 3.2M version and in a shorter amount of time. It looks better, more exotic then the roadster. It drives / steers a little better then the roadster. Would I trade my Z4M roadster for a Z4M coupe... NOT! But if you want the best looking and best future value get the Z4M coupe and not the Z4M roadster.Fishy Dave said:
buzyg said:
Think you hit the nail on the head here. Since the release of thousands of E46 M3 in the late 90's the M badge has just been used to sell cars. Most owners just want a M car to brag to mates the sort of types that have all the gear and no idea. Yes there will be some true motor enthusiast who buy them but in general its the show off sort who buy M cars. i have 2 freinds with new bmw M4's they would call RAC out to change a wheel that type of owner. They probably wouldnt even know what grade oil to put in the engine. Its just easy to lease a top of the range motor run it for a while then swap to something else in a year or so. Deosnt actually mean they know anything about M cars they just want to keep face and say look what iI drive.
The Ford performance is one of the true groups yes it maybe a Ford to some but Ford and liikes of Renualt who both will get a good biased review from a german car owner. If your into tuning and perfoemance you will know both Ford and Renault make some of the best track cars around. Ford has a very long history of tuning i work with maechanics i caould talk about my bmw all day they would just laugh and say does it have a turbo. If i mentioned a performance Ford with turbo we could talk for hours about tuning as their all old school heads who remember the Ford history. The type who goes out and buys a focus RS mk1 will most likely be into tuning and performance. The type thesedays who buy a M car bmw is more lthe type to wash it a lot and stare at it through a window sat on their driveway. Rather than take it on track where it belongs.
Audi is doing the same thing now they see Bmw M car sales and want a piece trying to cash in on their Audi RS brand and variant of models they now have. Ford RS has always been about performance from before E30 M3 days really.
I have a customer who has both a Mk1 and a Mk2 RS, the Mk1 he has modified with turbo, injectors, remap, BBK etc whereas his Mk2 is std. He drives either/or daily - BUT he still slobbers over my Zed when it's parked outside the shop 
Mike
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