Rough hot start...again

Old-Duckman

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 SW Pennsylvania USA
As briefly as I can do this:

When I say rough hot start, this is what it does. Sits over night, starts fine. Start after sitting 10-15 minutes, starts fine. Start after an hour to 4 or more (not overnight), I have to keep the starter engaged and when it does start it runs rough for several seconds (maybe 5 to 10 seconds or so)

Have posted this issue before but did more since then.

What I did:
Replaced all injectors with VDO brand. Started great in all conditions and time spans. Then it started doing the same thing again, I pulled the fuel rail, put a piece of paper under the injectors and cycled the key. Got 2 injectors that marked the paper with fuel (I posted that photo on this forum).

Replaced the injector that seemed to be leaking the most. "fixed" the issue for awhile. Started doing the same thing again, Replaced the one that has a small spot on the paper. That worked for about 2 hot starts.

Thought maybe the O-rings were the issue as I had not replaced them since I installed the new injectors.

Replaced both O-rings on all injectors and the air distribution O-rings. Did that today and the first hot start had the same starting issue.

Don't know if this means anything or not? I have noticed that when I pull the fuel rail to do whatever the MPG reading is considerably higher than normal on the first ride after doing so. I usually have 27.3, Today on my 20 miles or so drive after the O-ring replacement it was as high as 30.1. Went for a short trip after it sat for 2 hours and the MPG reads 27.6.

Maybe this means something mean something, maybe not...? When I did the O-rings today, the car had been sitting for 6 days. There was still some pressure when I pushed the Schrader valve to relieve the pressure in the fuel rail. Also still a lot of fuel in the rail when I removed each injector. So it is not leaking down completely.

The car runs fine, no check engine light. Maybe my imagination but it seemed to run a bit stronger the first several miles after the O-ring replacement.

Any ideas?
 
Did some research on the Net…possible engine coolant temperature sensor… Their explanation made sense and I have an OEM one on hand waiting a coolant flush. My only question is why would the temperature gauge read OK on the dashboard if this sensor is bad

Actually did the coolant flush earlier this year but my brand new upper radiator hose (Gates brand) was leaking where the sensor fits into it. So I refit the old hose and bought a BMW hose and temp sensor and was going to reflush and refill when I got the time and inclination but now it will go higher on the list of things to do to see if it fixes my starting problem.

I’ll repost when I have the results…good or bad.
 
Keeping an eye on this

My similar issue I thought I’d solved with new injectors seems to recur when the engine is hot!
 
I take it this is the sensor in the hose leading from bottom rad to thermostat?
 
bigwinn said:
I take it this is the sensor in the hose leading from bottom rad to thermostat?
That is the one I have on hand, the hose has a plastic part that the sensor fits into. When I fit the Gates hose and reused the sensor that came out of the original hose, I had a leak. Since I had to buy the BMW hose I figured I'd buy a new sensor too as I did not see just the green O-ring for the sensor available.

I refit the original hose and sensor, awaiting the BMW replacement...no leak. The top rad hose, also Gates is OK. I doubt that I will buy any Gates products in the future though. The BMW hose was nearly 3 times the price of the Gates hose but here the old saying rings true "You get what you pay for."
 
You have two coolant temp sensors (on the M54 engine anyhow), one in the back of the cylinder head and the other in the bottom coolant hose coming from the rad. One will send its signal to the ECU and the other will feed the temp gauge on the dash (amongst other things).
 
YEAH!!!

The engine coolant temperature sensor seems to have fixed the issue!

Just took the trim piece that covers the rad off and was able to remove the sensor, probably only lost 2 ounces of coolant before I was able to put the new one in.

Went for a short ride, popped the hood to make sure the new sensor wasn't leaking. Drove a bit more, went home and parked for an hour. After an hour of sitting it fired right up! That would not have been the case yesterday.

One clue that the new sensor had made a difference before I even tried the hot start is that the MPG reading I mentioned earlier (it was overly generous) is now reading more along the lines of what it does when I hand calculate it upon a fill-up.

Probably never needed new injectors but...the only thing that hurt on an 18 YO car was the owner's pocketbook.

Big Winn, I hope your results are similar. I did buy the BMW brand sensor and over here I paid $41 USD for it.
 
Old-Duckman said:
YEAH!!!

The engine coolant temperature sensor seems to have fixed the issue!

Just took the trim piece that covers the rad off and was able to remove the sensor, probably only lost 2 ounces of coolant before I was able to put the new one in.

Went for a short ride, popped the hood to make sure the new sensor wasn't leaking. Drove a bit more, went home and parked for an hour. After an hour of sitting it fired right up! That would not have been the case yesterday.

One clue that the new sensor had made a difference before I even tried the hot start is that the MPG reading I mentioned earlier (it was overly generous) is now reading more along the lines of what it does when I hand calculate it upon a fill-up.

Probably never needed new injectors but...the only thing that hurt on an 18 YO car was the owner's pocketbook.

Big Winn, I hope your results are similar. I did buy the BMW brand sensor and over here I paid $41 USD for it.

Good news

Like you say it’s worth looking at as I think I have a spare in the garage!!!

Good work fella!
 
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