Roof Hall effect sensors

oldgit

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The roof can be opened and closed manually but not electrically. Live data shows "convertible top position implausible".

I have looked at the 2 Hall effect sensors near the hinge on the passenger side, and one of them is not fixed to anything. Does anyone have a photo or diagram showing where these sensors should be fixed?

The car is a 2003 model with the 2.5 engine.

Thank you.
 
oldgit said:
The roof can be opened and closed manually but not electrically. Live data shows "convertible top position implausible".

I have looked at the 2 Hall effect sensors near the hinge on the passenger side, and one of them is not fixed to anything. Does anyone have a photo or diagram showing where these sensors should be fixed?

The car is a 2003 model with the 2.5 engine.

Thank you.
I'm sure number 5 has posted pictures of these
 
I searched for "convertible top position implausible" but the search gave no results. I searched "roof hall sensors" which gave some results but no pictures or diagrams.
 
This is where the ‘down’ hall sensor should be fixed. You need to orientate it so that the ‘hollow’ side is facing downward.

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It’s in its proper position below

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The lower sensor had broken away from its plastic mounting piece. I loosened the screw holding the mounting piece and the mounting piece dropped into the depths of the B pillar. Wasted an hour with a torch trying to see it. Using the upper sensor as a guide to its size I cut a piece of plastic with a slot for the screw, hoping to glue the sensor onto it. I wanted to try the plastic for size, and whilst screwing it into position I dropped the plastic and the screw into the depths of the B pillar. After some language not to be used in decent company I wasted another half hour trying to find it.

I then jacked the car up, took the wheel off and poked through the sunroof drain but nothing came out. More time wasted. I then glued the sensor against the bodywork in its approximate position, but the roof still did not work. More bad language. I called it a day.

I thought I may be able to find the sensor mounting pieces and screw if I could lift the roof from its mountings. Watched youtube videos on roof removal and decided to have a go the following day. I removed the 7 bolts from the U-piece and the 4 bolts from the hinges. I unclipped the frame from the 2 clips and thought that it was going well. Not for long. I could only lift the roof a couple of inches on the passenger side. It felt like something was stopping it. The driver's side came right out without a problem. Back indoors to check the workshop manual which said to move the roof motor towards the centre of the car if the roof would not come out. Tried that. The motor would not move.

My last desperate action was to cut a square of plastic of the correct thickness, glue it onto the bodywork and glue the sensor to the plastic.
I put everything back together and pressed the switch.It worked! It was 2 full days' work to get to this stage. I am hoping now that the sensor does not move.

The photos were very helpful.
 
Patience is essential if you are going to maintain your own car. Not paying garage labour charges is also a good incentive.
 
I feel your pain. It's a horrible sensation when you drop something important never to be seen again!
 
After I had dropped the screw I was trying to find another screw to fit. I also dropped that into the B pillar. If I get a rattle while driving it will be something inside the B pillar!
There is just no room to work on the lower sensor. To help anyone else working on it I suggest you undo all the bolts, disconnect the wiring and lift the roof. If, like me, you can only lift it a couple of inches it will still give room to work on the sensor.
Does anyone know if the sensors can be bought separately? I followed the link to the realoem website but could not find the sensors anywhere.
 
Any chance you can poke a extending magnetic pick up tool down there to retrive the screw, worth a try. Dropped a 11mm manifold nut on mine, couldn't find it for love nor money, gave up in the end. Starter motor failed about a month later and on taking it out what did I find resting an a ledge on the engine block behind the starter motor, the 11mm nut. Its usually a 10mm socket I drop, magnetic pick up tool usually finds that.
 
Looks to me to be item 36 in oem diagram here https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=BT32-EUR-07-2003-E85-BMW-Z4_25i&diagId=54_0311
 
Colb.
I tried a magnetic pick up tool with the roof fully down and with it lifted a couple of inches. No luck.
Yes. It does look like item 36. Thank you. I was misled by the word "switch".

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The tab is a few millimetres thick. It is not a moving part and should not break. I had done no work in that area prior to it breaking.
 
I dont know what to do.....

My roof works fine, the last owner of my car chance the roof motor but he leaves the hall down sensor loose and I can see it near the drivers door.

I thought was something easy to do to put the sensor in the corrector place but the only way to do it is removimg the roof?, is that right?

My only problem is the red led light is always flashing when I open the roof or having the hard roof, but really bothers me a lot hehehe
 
You do not need to remove the roof completely. You need to remove the securing nuts and bolts so that you can lift the roof a couple of inches to give yourself access to the sensor.

Youtube has videos showing how to remove the roof. They also show the positions of the securing nuts and bolts.
 
Can any one tell me, better yet show me by pics, where the hall sensors for “up” are located.?
My top will go up, but will not lock. The “claw motor” will not activate
I BELIEVE actually think, that I did not get the down sensor in correct place. It is on drivers side right?
Down and down lock work good.
 
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