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mad4slalom

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Hi all, just a beef about the new ved bands since april, i see now if you buy a new range rover or similar you get hit with a showroom type tax for the first two years is it ? , then it reduces to £140.00, the small petrol or diesel cars that were either 30 quid or tax free are incresing to 140, ?, i always thought that bearing in mind you could theoretically do a 100k miles a year in one of those that they werunfairly cheap, whereas there will be no change for anything existing , so the m cars will still be 500 quid Every year, even though most are garage queens or hobby cars , mine for example does 2 to 3 k a year. Seems very unfair, surely it would be fair and sensible to be able to tax a hobby car for say 5k miles a year as we do with insurance to keep the premiums down, and a fairer ved system. Seems crazy too that you can run a historic v8 yank gas guzzler as a historic vehicle tax free too. The governments thinking on this is mad, why not have a small amount to tax a historic vehicle to at least cover the admin as you still have to apply for tax in the normal way, but just dont pay for it ! Thoughts anyone?
 
Still think it should be on fuel - say 10p/litre?

Would mean you couldn't 'forget to pay' as you'd need to fill up regularly, and everyone pays based on their mileage, driving style and car's fuel efficiency.

e.g.
  1. an 8 litre Cobra doing 200 miles a year would - sensibly - pay less 'road tax' than a 0.7 litre Daihatsu doing 10,000 miles a year
  2. a 1912 Delahaye used for long touring trips/meets/festivals would pay more than a 1,000 mile a year garage queen

In our case, a Z4M garage queen doing 5000 miles a year at 30mpg would pay the same as a 3.0 doing 8000 miles a year, as while the 3.0 emits less 'toxics/noxics' per mile, it is doing more miles. A car sat in the garage produces zero emissions, and thus should pay zero 'road tax'.

It would also mean there'd be no need to keep changing tax bands, initial purchase tax, etc.

One thing I don't get about these VED/emissions changes, is that they were all supposed to be non-retrospective. So you buy a car before the new rules come into force and you get away with it. BUT, in the case of our cars they applied the raises to cars that had already been on the road for a few years and had an arbitrary cut-off that meant identical cars had different VED rates!
 
Also check out the Extra bit if the car is over 40k at list.

An extra £340 for the first five years ! Over and above the normal tax rate, which is why I pushed to get my new merc just before all of this came In.

The normal rate was £30 a year before April 1st, it was going up to £140 after April 1st but because list price was nearly 45k they add an extra £340 per year for the first 5 years :headbang: :headbang:
 
Thing is mm5 , is that we are already paying massive tax on the fuel and a gas gazzling M or similar is burning more and thus paying more ,so the actual ved should be fixed accross all vehicles , the co2 thing is a con as unleaded fuel which is all that is available is supposed to be green anyway, combined with power sapping catalytic converters , its supposedly only water emitted from the tailpipe! Now its suddenly diesels that are the devils spawn, they seem to make it up as they go along , watching the host of dinosaur documentaries aired recently, co2 was i think 400 times what it is now several times during the millions of years they were on the planet, between cycles of ice ages and tropical global warming and climate change, cant see a few hundred M's pottering around on the few dry weekends every year are going to have much impact :rofl:
 
That sounds a right con boris, how do they justify that, if it was originally only 30 quid it is obviouslt a pretty low polluting vehicle , so why load it an extra 340 for five years, i have always said its nothing to do with the environment, just revenue raising, they have already had extra vat and corporation tax as an element of its new price, of 40k :thumbsdown:
 
That sounds a right con boris, how do they justify that, if it was originally only 30 quid it is obviouslt a pretty low polluting vehicle , so why load it an extra 340 for five years, i have always said its nothing to do with the environment, just revenue raising, they have already had extra vat and corporation tax as an element of its new price, of 40k :thumbsdown:
 
had m mot'd today, only did 900 miles last year, for 500quid tax! aprox 20 , 45 mile outings at roughly £20 road tax a trip, add 20 quids worth of v max , insurance, and servicing, you can run a small plane for less money 😖
 
Well you know the answer to that - go out and use it more! :thumbsup:
 
Or SORN it for the massive bulk of the year that it's just an expensive ornament in your garage...
 
mad4slalom said:
had m mot'd today, only did 900 miles last year, for 500quid tax! aprox 20 , 45 mile outings at roughly £20 road tax a trip, add 20 quids worth of v max , insurance, and servicing, you can run a small plane for less money 😖
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I appreciate you like to keep the M for when you want to enjoy it but 900 miles sell it and rent something even more special for a couple of weeks,plus you will have more garage space for cleaning products :fuelfire: :D
 
Also, IMO all the electric vehicles need to pay a large road tax....electricity doesn't magic it's way into those batteries. The overall environmental impact a Japanese Prius makes to the planet far outweighs a German Z4...
 
By the end of next week I'll have done 900 miles this month :lol:

Not many of them properly fun smiles though :x
 
mad4slalom said:
Hi all, just a beef about the new ved bands since april, i see now if you buy a new range rover or similar you get hit with a showroom type tax for the first two years is it ? , then it reduces to £140.00, the small petrol or diesel cars that were either 30 quid or tax free are incresing to 140, ?, i always thought that bearing in mind you could theoretically do a 100k miles a year in one of those that they werunfairly cheap, whereas there will be no change for anything existing , so the m cars will still be 500 quid Every year, even though most are garage queens or hobby cars , mine for example does 2 to 3 k a year. Seems very unfair, surely it would be fair and sensible to be able to tax a hobby car for say 5k miles a year as we do with insurance to keep the premiums down, and a fairer ved system. Seems crazy too that you can run a historic v8 yank gas guzzler as a historic vehicle tax free too. The governments thinking on this is mad, why not have a small amount to tax a historic vehicle to at least cover the admin as you still have to apply for tax in the normal way, but just dont pay for it ! Thoughts anyone?
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a lot of flawed logic behind your opinion and not the governments.

the tax first of all is for 5 years and it's an extra £340 on cars over the value of £40K. If you can afford to buy a brand new car worth over £40K then what is another £300 a year to you? nothing. so IMO it's a mute point. if you can afford to drop £60K on a car you can afford to drop an extra £300 for 5 years. after 5 years it drops to £140.

also the cars that were £20 were because they put out less emissions and were more efficient. the mileage you do is irrelevant as their is duty on the fuel anyway. so if you do 100,000 miles in a year you would be paying more in duty than a car that does 1000 miles a year. so it doesn't matter if one car was being taxed at £20 and another at £300. it makes zero difference in reality. it was a tax on cars that give out higher emissions and were less efficient so it worked in that way.

then you go on to talk about classic cars. first of all they need to be 40 years old. how many cars hit 40? very little maybe 1 in a million. again a mute point because after 40 years they would have paid there fair share and very little cars hit this age and would be IMO unfair to keep on taxing them after 40 years of tax.
 
mad4slalom said:
had m mot'd today, only did 900 miles last year, for 500quid tax! aprox 20 , 45 mile outings at roughly £20 road tax a trip, add 20 quids worth of v max , insurance, and servicing, you can run a small plane for less money 😖
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you knew how much the road tax was before you bought the car.

it's also your own fault you only do 900 miles a year in it. so had you done 20,000 miles it would in theory be okay? so therefore go out and drive it more.

if it's not worth £500 a year road tax. sell it. simple as that. get yourself a micra. nobody is holding a gun to your head.
 
Angelus666 said:
Also, IMO all the electric vehicles need to pay a large road tax....electricity doesn't magic it's way into those batteries. The overall environmental impact a Japanese Prius makes to the planet far outweighs a German Z4...
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some point last month the UK had more than 50% of it's power come from clean sources.

the world is pushing clean energy. in 20 years time they expect the UK to have 100% of it's energy load come from a clean source. solar, windmills, nuclear, with no reliance on coal, oil or gas.

hybrids and electric cars are the future.
 
Boris said:
Also check out the Extra bit if the car is over 40k at list.

An extra £340 for the first five years ! Over and above the normal tax rate, which is why I pushed to get my new merc just before all of this came In.

The normal rate was £30 a year before April 1st, it was going up to £140 after April 1st but because list price was nearly 45k they add an extra £340 per year for the first 5 years :headbang: :headbang:
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so your only paying £30? so why all the headbanging?

if in future you don't want to pay expensive road tax. don't buy an expensive car or go electric.

it's akin to someone buying a £2million house then complaining that the council tax is high. why should dave who lives in a flat only pay £100 a month for his house and i have to pay £500 a month? even though dave has 5 kids so he uses more services than me who doesn't even live in my £2 million mansion as it's just my country home.
 
SonnyA85 said:
Boris said:
Also check out the Extra bit if the car is over 40k at list.

An extra £340 for the first five years ! Over and above the normal tax rate, which is why I pushed to get my new merc just before all of this came In.

The normal rate was £30 a year before April 1st, it was going up to £140 after April 1st but because list price was nearly 45k they add an extra £340 per year for the first 5 years :headbang: :headbang:
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so your only paying £30? so why all the headbanging?

if in future you don't want to pay expensive road tax. don't buy an expensive car or go electric.

it's akin to someone buying a £2million house then complaining that the council tax is high. why should dave who lives in a flat only pay £100 a month for his house and i have to pay £500 a month? even though dave has 5 kids so he uses more services than me who doesn't even live in my £2 million mansion as it's just my country home.
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What the hell exactly has council tax got to do with cars, I think you have a chip on your shoulder about something.

My beef is, the car is a clean car, shown by its £30 tax bracket before the 1st of April, did it suddenly become dirty after the 1st April and did the fact it was 45k make it even more dirty. crap its a money making racket.
 
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