Road Tax

ben g said:
if you don't like the uk, move to some war torn country in the middle east :wink:

i'd rather pay taxes and live in relative safety, than have to worry about getting blown up whilst walking down the street.
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If this government focussed less on spending billions messing about in the middle east we'd be better off and a lot less likely to be blown up here. Why don't you tot up quite how much income you lose and see if you're still happy...

As that doesn't read very well, I'll clarify that this is in no way intended as a personal pop at you, just a general expression of dissatisfaction of around 75% of my income going in tax of one sort or another
 
i agree with you completely. i fall into the 23% (or whatever it is now) tax bracket and get annoyed at seeing £120 tax deducted on my wage slip, every single week. but i can't do anything about that, so i just enjoy what money i have left.

it's all well and good moaning about it, but us brits don't seem to like sticking together and actually taking the government on. Instead we choose to sit on a computer and whinge about it.
 
ben g said:
i agree with you completely. i fall into the 23% (or whatever it is now) tax bracket and get annoyed at seeing £120 tax deducted on my wage slip, every single week. but i can't do anything about that, so i just enjoy what money i have left.

it's all well and good moaning about it, but us brits don't seem to like sticking together and actually taking the government on. Instead we choose to sit on a computer and whinge about it.
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Just a sec - isn't the post above a little bit of whinging on a computer? and if you don't like it how come you haven't followed your own advice and moved to the Middle East?

I'm not intending to have a dig at you, but it is perfectly valid to moan about how its getting harder to take your car out without the road knackering it if you are paying 23% 40%, 52% or whatever in tax. Don't assume that everyone takes it lying down and just moans on a computer.
 
Never reall thought about this before so did a little maths. I'm staggered to think that about 55% of my earnings are paid in tax, income tax, national insurance, vat, road tax, insurance tax etc etc.. So out of every 20 hardworking days, I get to spend the money earnt during nine and the politicians get to spend the money I earn on the other 11 days.

:thumbsdown:

I need a malt now!
 
Lillywhite said:
Very interesting site.

http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/who-pays-road-tax/
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I was going to say; the responsibilty to fixing roads is with the council, and therefore your council tax provide a bigger proportion of the road maintence budget than your 'road' tax.
 
Lillywhite said:
Very interesting site.

http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/who-pays-road-tax/
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People thinking that road tax is a tax for maintaining roads is one of my pet hates.
 
If road tax is based on emissions now where does that leave us that do offroading. We do however pay more than our fair share of other taxes into the pot to cover it considering we have to maintain our own private road (shared by 8 properties) have no street lights, have to pay for our own sewage removal, get our bins emptied when they feel like it and wait up to a week for the Police if there is a problem.
 
Mowflow said:
People thinking that road tax is a tax for maintaining roads......
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More importantly road tax was ended in the 30's and what we pay is a vehicle tax based on emissions called Vehicle Excise Duty. :wink: That's why I pay a measly £215 a year for my 2.0i and those with the Z4M currently pay a whopping £475 a year for owning their vehicle.
 
Lillywhite said:
Mowflow said:
People thinking that road tax is a tax for maintaining roads......
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More importantly road tax was ended in the 30's and what we pay is a vehicle tax based on emissions called Vehicle Excise Duty. :wink: That's why I pay a measly £215 a year for my 2.0i and those with the Z4M currently pay a whopping £475 a year for owning their vehicle.
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I thought emissions was a more recent thing. I wouldn't have thought it was cared about in the 30's. I thought driving licence was for the driver and the tax disc was a licence for the vehicle payable each year. They recently changed the tax disc licence to base it on emissions a bit like when colour tv came out and they then had two prices, black and white or colour.
 
Quadracer said:
I thought emissions was a more recent thing. I wouldn't have thought it was cared about in the 30's..
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A tax based on emissions is a fairly recent thing. However road tax was abolished in the 30's as per the article posted earlier.
The charge we pay for using our vehicle is VED. Low emission road users also listed in that article pay zero.
 
I have an 18 tonne Scania motor home which was £170 for the year. 9 litre engine and does more miles than my Zed which the first year tax disc was £600. So not sure how the emissions work there. I also have a John Deere tractor which is free :)
 
I find it comical that some goods vehicles pay less than a 2 seater sports car. Its all about taxing lifestyle choices, nothing to do with a green agenda as the governments website suggests taxing a lorry upto 15 tonns with three axles is £200 per year (no low emmissions certificate or road friendly suspension ticked either). I'm pretty sure these won't be fantastic on fuel economy and are likely to cover lots of miles.

The sooner they do away with it and include the appropriate levy on fuel along with a basic 3rd party insurance premium the better.
 
Not sure if I'm qualified to make a comment here, as I live in France, and find that our roads and even the country lanes are kept in pretty good condition. I seem to remember that when I lived in the UK, it was possible to claim against the relevent Council, if damage occured to wheels due to un-repaired roads. If they get hit by a mass of claims for rim repairs etc, maybethey will think it cheaper to do the repairs.
I suppose the old excuse of "due to the cuts we can't afford to repair potholes" will be trotted out, but I'm forced to wonder - if it's possible to pay able-bodied people large amounts of dole and support money for doing f-all, surely they could be 'trained' to fill potholes?
Scorp.
 
The trouble with doing away with it and putting it on fuel would effect trucks and delivery companies. They are already struggling effecting prices of everything we buy. I already pay over £150k per year to couriers and prices are rising all of the time due to fuel prices. In turn we have to put our prices up, so do our suppliers and the squeeze goes on.
 
To make a successful claim against a local authority for damage incurred directly arising out of poor maintenance, pothole or similar defect you need to demonstrate that the defect had previously been reported to the local authority. Therein lies the difficulty in succeeding with a claim.
 
Quadracer said:
The trouble with doing away with it and putting it on fuel would effect trucks and delivery companies. They are already struggling effecting prices of everything we buy. I already pay over £150k per year to couriers and prices are rising all of the time due to fuel prices. In turn we have to put our prices up, so do our suppliers and the squeeze goes on.
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Its a good point but reliant on the assumption that the government would NEED to pull in the same amount of taxation that is currently collected. Concessions could be made to commercial operators in the form of a rebate upon production of details of fuel purchased for essential business purposes. Vehicle taxation could be structured much fairer than the current system.

Why should those who do very few miles per year effectively subsidise those that dont'? This especially affects owners of a second vehicle. It also meets the green agenda as those who consume the most fuel (be it high mpg and high mileage or low mpg and low mileage) pay the most tax.

In a similar vain I would happily pay a modest fee to see my GP (much like the dentist) and pay for private medical insurance so would wish to pay less tax to the NHS (why do I want to pay twice for the same service?).
 
Lillywhite said:
To make a successful claim against a local authority for damage incurred directly arising out of poor maintenance, pothole or similar defect you need to demonstrate that the defect had previously been reported to the local authority. Therein lies the difficulty in succeeding with a claim.
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Presumably if people feel strongly enough about the pothole situation in their area, they should make a point of notifying the Council and pinpointing the offending potholes (not difficult now that evryone that owns a mobile phone is a 'photographer'), thereby providing the basis for subsequent claims. Why not make this year the year that the motorist says "enough" - start an Anti Pothole Action Faction Year (APAFY) in your area! :wink:
Scorp.
 
SUUNTOBOB said:
Dont wory chaps it'll soon be £250 to fill up the tank then it wont seem so bad!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh what a little ray of sunshine you are.

However, I do think you are right :cry:
 
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