Rare coupes

[Coppins999]

I know the coupe version of the Z3M is worth a lot more than the roadster and that on a like for like basis a Z4MC is worth a bit more than a Z4MR but do people think this will continue as per the Z3M ?

My thinking is as follows. On the plus side for the coupe is that the shape is more unusual as there were no small engined versions of the coupe so the shape makes it stand out. Also the coupe is seen as more 'hardcore' for the track and has a modicum of racecar pedigree.

On the other hand the Z4MC is no rarer than the Z4MR (592 v 614 produced) whereas the Z3M coupe was a lot rarer (165 v 997 according to wikipedia for RHD in Europe).

So in the long run do we think the coupe v roadster values will diverge as much as the Z3M values did ?

 

[Bodyboarder]

In a word ....no

I think whatever happens the z4mc will always be 30% higher than the roadster but can’t see the coupes getting to where the z3mc are in value .... but I’m pretty confident that they’re prices will hold firm and go up a bit as time goes on

 

[Bing]

This site is saying my car is one of 59 silver RHD z4mr in the world.... surely thats not right.

The LHD/RHD can have quite an effect - mine is saying 1/33 in the world with RHD selected, but 1/109 irrespective of which hand drive it is, with red leather. It's 1/120 silver/grey metallic MRs worldwide.

 

[tonyz4c]

hello

I have grabbed all informations from online vin decoder and as you have probably noticed, none of them provide the country of origin
So these countries values i'm using are results of filters i'm applying on options related to each vin
RHD is the "easiest" as there are few markets.
I have also used "M registry" web site to check for some vins registered by their owners on specific countries

Looking at these vins options, i have tried to search for common extra options and end up with rules like
if RetailOverSea, EngineLowerQualityFuel, CarIdentityVisible, OnBoardEnglish, LanguageEnglish, KilometerSpeed
=> south africa
if RetailOverSea, RadioOceania, OnBoardEnglish, LanguageEnglish, KilometerSpeed,
=> New Zeland
...

As you can see those filters are "hand made" so i'm supposing it's the reason why you notice some differences between my site and the other one.

The only thing you can be sure of it's the total number as each category of vehicule has his own vin range number :wink:

 

[Gazza51]

I know the coupe version of the Z3M is worth a lot more than the roadster and that on a like for like basis a Z4MC is worth a bit more than a Z4MR but do people think this will continue as per the Z3M ?

On the other hand the Z4MC is no rarer than the Z4MR (592 v 614 produced) whereas the Z3M coupe was a lot rarer (165 v 997 according to wikipedia for RHD in Europe).

So in the long run do we think the coupe v roadster values will diverge as much as the Z3M values did ?

According to the Z3MC Forum - Total Z3MCs sold in the UK 609. (S50 492, S54 117)

The S54 Z3MR totals only 73 but the values are still lower than the Coupe.

I think over time the Z4MC prices will rise.

 

[mad4slalom]

I know the coupe version of the Z3M is worth a lot more than the roadster and that on a like for like basis a Z4MC is worth a bit more than a Z4MR but do people think this will continue as per the Z3M ?

My thinking is as follows. On the plus side for the coupe is that the shape is more unusual as there were no small engined versions of the coupe so the shape makes it stand out. Also the coupe is seen as more 'hardcore' for the track and has a modicum of racecar pedigree.

On the other hand the Z4MC is no rarer than the Z4MR (592 v 614 produced) whereas the Z3M coupe was a lot rarer (165 v 997 according to wikipedia for RHD in Europe).

So in the long run do we think the coupe v roadster values will diverge as much as the Z3M values did ?

Good points , i did see a 2.8 version of the z3 coupe for sale once , withouth twin tailpipes, was this called the orinoco ? Dont know if it was available everywhere or just califonia possibly

 

[Mr Tidy]

Good points , i did see a 2.8 version of the z3 coupe for sale once , withouth twin tailpipes, was this called the orinoco ? Dont know if it was available everywhere or just califonia possibly

I'm sure a 2.8 version of the Z3 Coupe was sold in Europe - but sadly never in the UK.

 

[Joneeboy]

Mines come up as 1 of 6 in the world...

 

[Joneeboy]

Mines come up as 1 of 6 in the world...

Jem's is in the middle and Shaun's has the aftermarket wheels...

 

[mad4slalom]

Mines come up as 1 of 6 in the world...

Jem's is in the middle and Shaun's has the aftermarket wheels...

Stunning picture

 

[jimmybell]

I think some of the stats in here are a bit... overblown. I think there's a difference between rare car and rare spec ...the market compares total numbers built to determine if a car is rare (thus value may increase), not colour and spec combos.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/bmw_z4_m

Saying that - i'd only ever buy an Imola one again, shame i dont have a garage with power and a ramp to store one forever.

 

[exdos]

According to the Z3MC Forum - Total Z3MCs sold in the UK 609. (S50 492, S54 117)

The S54 Z3MR totals only 73 but the values are still lower than the Coupe.

The reason that the M Coupe (E36) was built was because a small group of BMW engineers wanted to correct the scuttle-shake and inherent weakness of the ragtop Z3 chassis, and they succeeded in creating the stiffest BMW chassis made at that time.

Although a Z3M Roadster has a S54 engine, the chassis still suffers the inherent weakness of a ragtop so there's no real comparison between the Z3 M Coupe and the Z3 M Roadster and the market reflects this. Likewise, the earlier S50 M Coupes do not attract the same prices as the later S54 model.

 

[PerryGunn]

I think some of the stats in here are a bit... overblown. I think there's a difference between rare car and rare spec ...the market compares total numbers built to determine if a car is rare (thus value may increase), not colour and spec combos.

Yep - reminds me of this thread where the OP got a bit of a pasting... :lol:

 

[Jembo]

I think some of the stats in here are a bit... overblown. I think there's a difference between rare car and rare spec ...the market compares total numbers built to determine if a car is rare (thus value may increase), not colour and spec combos.

Yep - reminds me of this thread where the OP got a bit of a pasting... :lol:

Well some people ‘do see red’ sometimes, wonder what they’d do if it was something important.

Being rare is subjective, where I would include colour as important especially if desirable & produced in lower numbers, spec less so... & if we all thought the same be so boring

 

[z4pilot]

I think some of the stats in here are a bit... overblown. I think there's a difference between rare car and rare spec ...the market compares total numbers built to determine if a car is rare (thus value may increase), not colour and spec combos.

Yep - reminds me of this thread where the OP got a bit of a pasting... :lol:

Well some people ‘do see red’ sometimes, wonder what they’d do if it was something important.

Being rare is subjective, where I would include colour as important especially if desirable & produced in lower numbers, spec less so... & if we all thought the same be so boring

I suppose unless you owned your car from new, we're all at the mercy of what the original owner deemed as desirable. The fact that colours such as White, PY and Sepang were not seen as desirable at the time, has only served to make them rare and increased their perceived desirability. Hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

[Bodyboarder]

Rare .... common as muck :roll:

 

[Jembo]

... & Schnitzer rare

 

[MrPT]

... & Schnitzer rare

Can't imagine why!

 

[Bodyboarder]

^ that , to my eyes at least, is truly terrible!

 

[Lower]

There used to a be a nice car lurking under that disguise.