Range Rover Sport vs Peugeot 107
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I witnessed the aftermath of the horror RR crash on the M74 where it hit the central reservation and the main pillar of a flyover head on and knew it would be a roof off job to free those inside, however what I wasn't aware of was this piece of 'health and safety' that if you are involved in an accident and complain of neck or back pain whilst sat in the car the roof will come off! You may even be the 'good Samaritan' who has stopped, all parties out their vehicle a waiting for the emergency services, they arrive and ask all involved of any pain etc and someone says yes I've a sore neck........kiss goodbye to your car because the roof will be taken off that too!
After hearing that it's made me think twice about letting someone after an accident sit in one of my cars if the roof is fixed. Unfortunately you'll be left to claim your insurance for helping someone who probably only has whiplash at worst and is looking to make a wee medical claim via their insurance and your cars fecked. Doubt they'd even care
After hearing that it's made me think twice about letting someone after an accident sit in one of my cars if the roof is fixed. Unfortunately you'll be left to claim your insurance for helping someone who probably only has whiplash at worst and is looking to make a wee medical claim via their insurance and your cars fecked. Doubt they'd even care
Only just seen this.
I'm glad a) everyone is ok and b) that the Sovereign wasn't damaged - it's the pub in the background and we've just spent a tidy sum re-modelling it! :lol:
I'm glad a) everyone is ok and b) that the Sovereign wasn't damaged - it's the pub in the background and we've just spent a tidy sum re-modelling it! :lol:
Maniac said:
Could that not be something to do with the battery terminal connector popping off? In the event of an impact crash on a BMW the positive connection is basically blown off to stop the electrics from working to stop this possibly causing a spark to light a fire if there is a fuel leak. These ideas are great in a real horror crash but seem pointless in such a situation but the car doesn't know and it's how it's designed
The point is, if there's no power to move the seats, they won't move no matter what, there's no emergency release as far as I know so if you're the type to sit right up to the wheel, if the power goes in an accident, they can't get you out without cutting away a lot of car, which is more dangerous and more time consuming... time is crucial. I do love having electric seats but they get used only when I clean the car as setting 1 is my position and setting 2 is seat fully forward to get behind and clean the carpets. Only time I see electric seats being a positive is when there are two drivers, a large driver and a small one that needs to constantly adjust (via key memory) the seat positions. That's it. Makes you think electric seats could actually be a negative and manual seats preferential when it comes to a crash.
Okay that's a point but what happens if someone has a accident in a e89 and the same thing happens can only but imagine the issue they would have cutting the roof off if the battery has been cut off thanks to technology. You'd think there would be some way for them to put power to the car to get these components working after establishing there is no fuel leak.
Getting someone with a back or neck injury out of the car is not an easy extraction. So the pneumatic jaws are used to slice the pillars (no saws involved) to remove the roof and extract the injured party in the best means possible reducing stress on the back. It's not H&S at all, it's a proven practice to reduce risk of further injury. And you are correct Angie4m, if you let someone in your car who then complains of neck or back pain, you will lose your roof.
You would not add power to the car as this could introduce sparks/ignition or other issues. In fact, one of the first things done at an accident is to remove the power and switch the engine off.
You would not add power to the car as this could introduce sparks/ignition or other issues. In fact, one of the first things done at an accident is to remove the power and switch the engine off.
I once had to order my crew to cut the roof off a brand new police car! The cops had sat the driver of a car they were trying to stop in the back after he crashed during his escape! He complained of neck pain and numbness. He was examined by medics and they were unable to give him the all clear. So out came the gear and off came the roof..
I had a patient who crashed a stolen car whilst being pursued by the police. He ran for two miles cross country climbing over fences, through woodland and even crossing a stream before the officers intercepted him with the help of a helicopter. He was brought in by ambulance under blue lights as a trauma call immobilised on a spinal board due to the damage to the stolen car 
Interesting article Maniac. Thought you were choosing between them for a new car at first! 
After reading this, I have a maybe stupid question. If the electrics are automatically cut in some cars, then that would mean you wouldn't be able to put windows down (like if you could and needed to climb out of car if in a ditch and the door is jammed). I know this sounds far fetched but, eek! Would you have to smash the window
(extreme and don't have that strong an elbow!?) or try start the engine?
Never thought I would ask this other question, and it's a question my Mum might have raised before and only now do I think 'that's a point'; if you have auto-locking doors, like when you pull away, or like me being a woman you lock your car doors, if you had an accident like the type in the article and your car is the type that cuts the electrics or your engine is off, could you unlock the car door from the inside?! I know on the Fiesta which has auto-lock after pulling away it unlocks after you switch the engine off, but what about other modern cars? :?
After reading this, I have a maybe stupid question. If the electrics are automatically cut in some cars, then that would mean you wouldn't be able to put windows down (like if you could and needed to climb out of car if in a ditch and the door is jammed). I know this sounds far fetched but, eek! Would you have to smash the window
(extreme and don't have that strong an elbow!?) or try start the engine?Never thought I would ask this other question, and it's a question my Mum might have raised before and only now do I think 'that's a point'; if you have auto-locking doors, like when you pull away, or like me being a woman you lock your car doors, if you had an accident like the type in the article and your car is the type that cuts the electrics or your engine is off, could you unlock the car door from the inside?! I know on the Fiesta which has auto-lock after pulling away it unlocks after you switch the engine off, but what about other modern cars? :?
Oakandacorns said:Interesting article Maniac. Thought you were choosing between them for a new car at first!
After reading this, I have a maybe stupid question. If the electrics are automatically cut in some cars, then that would mean you wouldn't be able to put windows down (like if you could and needed to climb out of car if in a ditch and the door is jammed). I know this sounds far fetched but, eek! Would you have to smash the window
Never thought I would ask this other question, and it's a question my Mum might have raised before and only now do I think 'that's a point'; if you have auto-locking doors, like when you pull away, or like me being a woman you lock your car doors, if you had an accident like the type in the article and your car is the type that cuts the electrics or your engine is off, could you unlock the car door from the inside?! I know on the Fiesta which has auto-lock after pulling away it unlocks after you switch the engine off, but what about other modern cars? :?
Not sure about windows but in the event of an accident the doors are supposed to unlock automatically but that might not be of any use depending on damage and where the car has ended up hence you'd need to get out the windows possibly
The BST (Battery Safety Terminal) used in BMWs features a dual circuit. There is a lower capacity fused circuit which bypasses the BST in the event it is triggered and still allows certain things such as lights, windows etc to work. I don't know the exact details of what is on the circuit but believe auto transmission control/ECU will also be on this as a discharged BST can not be repaired, it must be replaced. Therefor it would be impossible to tow some of the big autos even after a light shunt. I creased door or floor pan could prevent any of these working properly anyway.
Full details will be out there but I would imagine the BST disables the main engine loom and wouldn't be surprised if seats were one of the bypassed elements as the motors do not require a huge amount of power.
Realistically everyone should have one of these in their car
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverline-250248-Emergency-Hammer-Cutter/dp/B001C0LLBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1392051782&sr=8-2&keywords=car+safety+hammer
I bought one after reading about someone seeing their loved ones trapped in a car after an accident. I taped it to the side of my seat near the seatbelt clip. Watching "Formula 1 the killing years" gave me this idea after seeing that Jackie Stewart taped a spanner to his steering wheel after watching friends die in fires being stuck in their cars. I didn't see the point in having it somewhere I couldn't reach should the belt pin me to the seat.
Full details will be out there but I would imagine the BST disables the main engine loom and wouldn't be surprised if seats were one of the bypassed elements as the motors do not require a huge amount of power.
Realistically everyone should have one of these in their car
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverline-250248-Emergency-Hammer-Cutter/dp/B001C0LLBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1392051782&sr=8-2&keywords=car+safety+hammer
I bought one after reading about someone seeing their loved ones trapped in a car after an accident. I taped it to the side of my seat near the seatbelt clip. Watching "Formula 1 the killing years" gave me this idea after seeing that Jackie Stewart taped a spanner to his steering wheel after watching friends die in fires being stuck in their cars. I didn't see the point in having it somewhere I couldn't reach should the belt pin me to the seat.
