put your transmisson of choice in order

fall6997 said:
There is nothing like coming to the end of a nice straight with a long sweeping left hander, quick mirror check, moving to the offside, looking for the limit point to stop moving away which identifies the correct speed, doubling down into a smooth third or second, maintaining power through the bend whilst looking for that beautiful limit point to start drifting away, you then squeeze the accelerator slowly as you prepare to power out the bend. There it is....the limit point moving away and your chance to bury the throttle. Back end twitches slightly but just enough to let you know about the power under the bonnet...a stern response to you burying the throttle as you try to push the boundaries of the mutual respect between you and your Zed.....

Cannot be done in an automatic.....not smooth at all in a SMG.......so manual all the way

.....unless you're using the auto's manual shift of course :D

That's the point for me, auto gives you more choices - effortless cruising, sporty auto, or a manual change which is quicker than a manual and guaranteed to red line if needed.
Never thought I'd prefer an auto to a manual but there it is. Not tried a SMG.
 
I was set to buy a manual not even considering an auto but I found the car I wanted with what I thought was a downside of having the steptronic auto. I took it for a test drive and what a revalation.

It can be used as a very smooth 6 speed auto but in steptronic mode with paddle shift it is fantastic. Double downshifts are instant and almost seamless. This is without a doubt the best auto box I've driven. There's a lot of prejudice against auto boxes mainly from people who have never driven one, don't know how to use one or last drove one when 3 speed plus reverse was the standard.

Fuel consmption is pretty good averaging 32mpg and topping out at about 37 on a long motorway run which is not bad from a 3.0SI Coupe.
 
It's not SMG I, or SMG II, it's H-SMG, which is the robot applied to the standard 6 speed Z4 gearbox...

So it's totally unique really. I'm not sure if the robot/ecu/software is taken from anything else though... but it's not on any other BMW group cars, and it wouldn't be wise to compare it with any others in the BMW range as if it were the same (ie, the old E36 M3 SMG, or SSG from 3 series etc)

I'm just trying to find more info on it right now, most people seem to incorrectly say it's the SSG or SMG I which from what I can gather is wrong.

Dave
 
Mr Whippy said:
It's not SMG I, or SMG II, it's H-SMG, which is the robot applied to the standard 6 speed Z4 gearbox...

So it's totally unique really. I'm not sure if the robot/ecu/software is taken from anything else though... but it's not on any other BMW group cars, and it wouldn't be wise to compare it with any others in the BMW range as if it were the same (ie, the old E36 M3 SMG, or SSG from 3 series etc)

I'm just trying to find more info on it right now, most people seem to incorrectly say it's the SSG or SMG I which from what I can gather is wrong.

Dave

wasn't/isn't The Alfa selespeed system etc a robotised manual?
 
My old Smart Roadster had an electronically actuated semi-manual; it was ropey. I think it's hard to produce a sufficiently forceful yet controlled (i.e. smooth) movement with electro-mechanical actuators.
 
gannet said:
Mr Whippy said:
It's not SMG I, or SMG II, it's H-SMG, which is the robot applied to the standard 6 speed Z4 gearbox...

So it's totally unique really. I'm not sure if the robot/ecu/software is taken from anything else though... but it's not on any other BMW group cars, and it wouldn't be wise to compare it with any others in the BMW range as if it were the same (ie, the old E36 M3 SMG, or SSG from 3 series etc)

I'm just trying to find more info on it right now, most people seem to incorrectly say it's the SSG or SMG I which from what I can gather is wrong.

Dave

wasn't/isn't The Alfa selespeed system etc a robotised manual?

I'm not sure really.

There are so many systems and names out there. I guess as long as it's not an automatic or CVT with paddles, then it's a fairly performance orientated automatic capable manual gearbox, (so solid shifts, no torque converter slurring changes or CVT slowly changing ratio) what is important then I guess is how good it actually is in use (hardware to some extent, but probably almost totally software if the former is any good at all)

There appears to be little written about it. It is a unique system though, with a more modern implementation hardware and software vs the old SMG I, so I guess with it being made around the same time as SMG II, it's quite similar in general setup (ie, software/hardware package that does the shifting (why develop two unique systems side by side)), just it's strapped to the old 6spd manual from any other Z4 3.0.
I can't imagine they made it crapper than SMG I, and being the same generation as SMG II, on a definately sporty car, I imagine it's actually more like SMG II than anything else in setup.

I've read some forums/threads saying it's GM and Alfa Romeo etc, but the article linked to above suggests it's pretty unique to that 6 spd gearbox alone. Not sure how else you could strap that to a FWD V6!
Software may be similar, but what is written in there is key! Just look at how a remap changes a car!

Dave
 
Clear this up for me guys - I have 2003 with Auto and Manual Overide - what is the box technically classed as? :) It seems to combine the best of both :?
 
I know it a marmite thing, but I love my SMG Z4 - fast shifting in sport, leisurly shifts in standard. Very smooth if you lift a little on the throttle as you shift (just like you do in a manual......)
Full bore shifts are faster than I can do in a manual and the blip on the down shift is perfect and the sound is to die for (with a milltek fitted!).

Try one and see if it suits you!
 
I live in London. I love the lazy auto for normal town driving then sport mode for countryside adrenalin. Manual mode is ok although slow to react. Not for the track and not the same as a manual but perfectly acceptable!!
 
Manual, Manual, Manual. If it doesnt have a stickshift, It isnt a sports car. And when I'm too old and tired to clutch and shift. Ill stop pretending and buy a minivan.
 
Love my Auto, I certainly don't miss having a clutch.

I only want one car so my Auto is a dream in traffic and when I want a play it will shift faster than I would try to in a Manual at exactly the right revs. Or I can choose to change myself to hold the gear or get ready for an overtake.

I went from only wanting to buy a manual to now wondering whether I will ever want another
 
I found this on line somewhere: I love the Steptronic but "best" is in the eye of the beholder. This says it way better than I can describe.

High-performance electric control for a fast response.
The new version of BMW six-speed automatic transmission allows a truly unique, active and sporting style of motoring. The sophisticated electronic control unit permanently monitors the position of the gas pedal, registering the intensity of the pressure exerted by the driver on the gas pedal and determining whether and to what extent the driver wishes to accelerate.
Retrieving data on the road speed of the car, engine speed and the steering angle, the control unit also detects current driving conditions at all
times, considering furthermore whether the car is driving uphill or downhill.
By taking all these criteria and many others into account, electronic
transmission management, together with its high-performance software,
is able to determine which gear is the most suitable under current driving
conditions to meet the driver’s particular demands.


The driver expresses these demands smoothly, easily and clearly through his foot on the accelerator, the transmission control unit automatically choosing the topmost gear as long as the driver is just cruising along with consistent pressure on the gas pedal. In this case the automatic transmission will never forget to shift up, keeping the car in its most economical gear at all times. But at the same time the automatic transmission is always ready for any change in driving conditions, responding instantaneously and precisely to new demands and requirements, regardless of whether the driver wishes to slowly build up extra speed or whether he obviously wishes to accelerate fast and dynamically.


Direct choice of the optimum gear.
Whether the transmission should shift back and, if so, to what degree, is
determined by the electronic control unit applying data provided on load and driving conditions as well as the rate at which the driver presses down the
gas pedal. So depending on the overall scenario, the transmission is able to shift down in the same brief instant either “just” one or several gears.
All that counts is how fast the driver wishes to accelerate. The harder he presses down the gas pedal, the more dynamically his car will accelerate
to the desired speed, choosing the gear required directly and without
any transitional phase.
This direct gear finding process, as it is called, gives the automatic transmission its unique precision, without any time-consuming search for the right gear, which the driver would always notice and experience as an unwanted
delay. Indeed, the transmission will determine and find the optimum gear ratio instantaneously while the driver is still pressing down the gas pedal,
making machine even faster than man.

A mere 100 milliseconds response time.
Responding at such unprecedented speed, BMW’s new six-speed automatic transmission sets new standards, the dynamic gearshift leaving behind
not only conventional automatic transmissions, but even the manual gearbox: The new six-speed automatic transmission completes every gearshift process faster than even the vast majority of sporting drivers experienced in shifting gears manually. This is borne out particularly clearly by the extreme demand made by BMW’s development engineers in defining a kick-down signal at a speed of 70 km/h or 50 mph in sixth gear. The requirement even in this case is to ensure maximum acceleration – and precisely that is what the new six-speed automatic transmission provides, responding in just 100 milliseconds to the driver’s commands. At the same time the automatic transmission sends
a positive force pulse to the engine, which immediately increases its speed from approximately 1,400 to more than 5,000 rpm while the transmission itself shifts back from sixth to second gear.


The time required for shifting gears is also shortened 50 per cent compared with a conventional transmission, again enabling the car to instantaneously switch over from a smooth cruising mode to fast and dynamic acceleration in less than a second, offering truly impressive shift-down performance
quite impossible with any kind of conventional automatic transmission.


The new six-speed automatic transmission therefore responds more quickly than the driver is even able to notice – all he feels is the spontaneous reaction to his commands and wish for dynamic acceleration. And all that remains
is a wonderful feeling of satisfaction, with the driver marvelling at the intuitive reaction of the new six-speed automatic transmission to his wish for dynamic performance
 
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