Prison Release
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There was a thing on the News today saying (obviously prompted by the looney lefties who are now in charge) "no violent offenders will be released early" (earlier than the half term they serve anyway).
Directly after, on the local News, they did an interview with some bloke who was released early today. He was convicted of ABH. Is that not a violent crime?
Besides, they have to make room for all the people who are being convicted of saying something slightly controversial, or un-pc on social media. It's a crime now.
Directly after, on the local News, they did an interview with some bloke who was released early today. He was convicted of ABH. Is that not a violent crime?
Besides, they have to make room for all the people who are being convicted of saying something slightly controversial, or un-pc on social media. It's a crime now.
Here's a real life story of the prison system (not a news article from the Daily Mail, or headline grabbing journalists).....
I know someone who killed a 35 year old mother and critically injured her two daughters. The girls were 10 and 12 at the time. One spent four months in hospital and has life-changing injuries, the other spent a month in hospital but recovered.
The perpetrator was not very happy with his lot, apparently, so decided he was going to kill himself. He chose to do this by getting hammered and driving his van along the A16 and heading for other motorists.
Unfortunately the mother and her two daughters were in the wrong place at the wrong time, so he ploughed into them in his 2.5 tonne van. The driver of the van was unhurt.
The Police charged him with manslaughter, drink driving, dangerous driving and undue car and attention (they tried their best to get him charged with the most TBF). They can't get a murder charge in a 'car accident' no matter what.
The CPS threw out the manslaughter charge (as it was too difficult to prove) and changed it to 'death by dangerous driving'.
He pled guilty and received nine years, the highest term for 'death by dangerous driving', apparently. He was sent to Peterborough Prison, which is five miles from where he lives, so received visits on a very regular basis from his family.
He was released after just over 4 years and in those four years he got counselling, help with his 'mental welfare', help with alcohol addition, workshops to help him when he was released, etc, etc.
The husband and family he ripped apart would have got a bit of counselling and probably a bit of money for the daughter's ongoing physical care for a few months.
I know someone who killed a 35 year old mother and critically injured her two daughters. The girls were 10 and 12 at the time. One spent four months in hospital and has life-changing injuries, the other spent a month in hospital but recovered.
The perpetrator was not very happy with his lot, apparently, so decided he was going to kill himself. He chose to do this by getting hammered and driving his van along the A16 and heading for other motorists.
Unfortunately the mother and her two daughters were in the wrong place at the wrong time, so he ploughed into them in his 2.5 tonne van. The driver of the van was unhurt.
The Police charged him with manslaughter, drink driving, dangerous driving and undue car and attention (they tried their best to get him charged with the most TBF). They can't get a murder charge in a 'car accident' no matter what.
The CPS threw out the manslaughter charge (as it was too difficult to prove) and changed it to 'death by dangerous driving'.
He pled guilty and received nine years, the highest term for 'death by dangerous driving', apparently. He was sent to Peterborough Prison, which is five miles from where he lives, so received visits on a very regular basis from his family.
He was released after just over 4 years and in those four years he got counselling, help with his 'mental welfare', help with alcohol addition, workshops to help him when he was released, etc, etc.
The husband and family he ripped apart would have got a bit of counselling and probably a bit of money for the daughter's ongoing physical care for a few months.
I think the criminal justice system is way too soft as a general rule, although they do seem to step up to the mark when something hits the headlines, I’m pretty laid back but I do sometimes wonder if they started cutting off fingers and working their way up people may think twice before committing crimes.
Something is wrong with our criminal justice system and the underlying factors that are stressing it. Just few indicators:
- Our incarceration rate (143/100,000) is higher than than every other country in northern Europe - c60% higher than countries like Germany, Italy, France, Belguim and Netherlands
- Recidivism rates are really high in the UK - eg c 60% re-offend within 2 years - it's 40% in France, 20% in Norway. It costs a fortune for society to keep locking these people up and then the majority re-offend. Why are rates so high?
- Locking prisoners up costs £51,000 per prisoner per year - a bit crude, but getting down to Germany's rate would save £1.7bn per year
- Many studies have found that imprisoning people is not very effective at stopping re-offending, in fact it may actually encourage it. Community service orders are found to be more effective , especially compared to shorter prison sentences.
And a note on early release - there was ALREADY a longstanding practice to release certain categories after 50% of sentences served - the new plan lowers that to 40% so it's not like it's a new thing. If nothing changes then we are going to need more prisons and that doesn't happen overnight. In the short term the government had no choice. The conservatives would have had to do exactly the same thing.
I applaud the government for cracking down so swiftly on the recent rioting and incitement crimes. The situation could have rapidly got out of hand if they had not.
- Our incarceration rate (143/100,000) is higher than than every other country in northern Europe - c60% higher than countries like Germany, Italy, France, Belguim and Netherlands
- Recidivism rates are really high in the UK - eg c 60% re-offend within 2 years - it's 40% in France, 20% in Norway. It costs a fortune for society to keep locking these people up and then the majority re-offend. Why are rates so high?
- Locking prisoners up costs £51,000 per prisoner per year - a bit crude, but getting down to Germany's rate would save £1.7bn per year
- Many studies have found that imprisoning people is not very effective at stopping re-offending, in fact it may actually encourage it. Community service orders are found to be more effective , especially compared to shorter prison sentences.
And a note on early release - there was ALREADY a longstanding practice to release certain categories after 50% of sentences served - the new plan lowers that to 40% so it's not like it's a new thing. If nothing changes then we are going to need more prisons and that doesn't happen overnight. In the short term the government had no choice. The conservatives would have had to do exactly the same thing.
I applaud the government for cracking down so swiftly on the recent rioting and incitement crimes. The situation could have rapidly got out of hand if they had not.
MikeyH said:"I applaud the government for cracking down so swiftly on the recent rioting and incitement crimes. The situation could have rapidly got out of hand if they had not."Totally agree.
I do too but its hard not to see the irony with a little amusement
many were first time offenders staring at 2 yr sentences , applaud that part but then to make room for these they opted to let free early scrotes who committed worse crimes 
mr wilks said:MikeyH said:"I applaud the government for cracking down so swiftly on the recent rioting and incitement crimes. The situation could have rapidly got out of hand if they had not."
I do too but its hard not to see the irony with a little amusement
Most of the ones I've read about have previous. Normal people don't behave like that.
The sentencing is within the guidelines, but people keep claiming that it is unfair.
They are only supposed to be letting out low risk prisoners. Some of them got out with only days left of their sentence.
Letting too many prisoners out at the same time is going to cause a lot of issues. It doesn't sound like prisoners are well supported when they are released. There was people who left prison with nothing and didn't have anywhere to go on the first night. One even admitted on camera that he would have no other option than resort to theft.
As a pensioner I'm looking forward to a year or two in prison after slagging off Starmer and his ginger puppet on social media.........just imagine, no more energy price hikes or food, single person council tax discount etc to worry about........... :?
And if I'm lucky enough to get HMP Wandsworth , I can get a BJ off a female prison officer..........whats not to like 8)
And if I'm lucky enough to get HMP Wandsworth , I can get a BJ off a female prison officer..........whats not to like 8)
TitanTim said:Funny how a Government can magic up floating hotels for asylum seekers but have run out space in prisons and now releasing god knows what back into the community, more than likley to carry on causing misery in society.
Yes feel much safer walking the streets as of today
Tim.
Prison is there, in theory, to punish, keep the public safe, and rehabilitate.
IMHO we do a very poor job of rehabilitation, so really prison is just to punish and keep the public safe.
Trev assaults someone and gets two years. He gets let out 3 months only. I would argue that
(1) The punishment should have been tougher (let out early or not).
(2) Keeping the public safe from him for 3 months extra would have been nice, but the real issue is he's not been rehabilitated at all and will be a risk til the dy he dies or gets locked up again, not that he's out 3 months early.
IMHO
