Prices of E89 Zed4
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I didn't say ALL salesmen (persons) are bad, just in my experience of car salesmen, I've yet to meet one who knows their product or cares about anything apart from how much money they can make.
Surely the fundamental requirement for any decent salesperson is to know your product better than those you are trying to sell to?
Maybe I'm just unlucky :|
Surely the fundamental requirement for any decent salesperson is to know your product better than those you are trying to sell to?
Maybe I'm just unlucky :|
ronk said:
Sadly a lot of car dealers, particularly main dealers, insist on it in this way and make is part of the sale process. I am with you if the sales person is good and experienced why not give them the margin they have to work with, rather than the continue back and forwards to the sales managers office
Z450 said:ronk said:
Sadly a lot of car dealers, particularly main dealers, insist on it in this way and make is part of the sale process. I am with you if the sales person is good and experienced why not give them the margin they have to work with, rather than the continue back and forwards to the sales managers office
That is just a ploy for the gullible to think they are getting a great deal, its all bloody nonsense, they could clearly have given you the deal at the start of the discussion
Ole gits rule said:Z450 said:ronk said:
Sadly a lot of car dealers, particularly main dealers, insist on it in this way and make is part of the sale process. I am with you if the sales person is good and experienced why not give them the margin they have to work with, rather than the continue back and forwards to the sales managers office
That is just a ploy for the gullible to think they are getting a great deal, its all bloody nonsense, they could clearly have given you the deal at the start of the discussion
It is so out dated and really silly, most people just want to be treated fairly and politely, which is very easy, yet places follow out dates sales processes that probably lose a fair few deals
'Buyers are liars' and 'nobody walks' thats what we were told when I sold cars... give away too much and you find yourself in a dutch auction with another dealership, give them a figure for a part exchange and someone down the road will better it. The guy out on his own, could he make a decision to buy a car or was he a BMWW (brave man without wife), if he was then re-appoint him with the decision maker... his wife. It all about qualification, not only on what someone wants to buy, but also their budget.Ole gits rule said:Z450 said:ronk said:
Sadly a lot of car dealers, particularly main dealers, insist on it in this way and make is part of the sale process. I am with you if the sales person is good and experienced why not give them the margin they have to work with, rather than the continue back and forwards to the sales managers office
That is just a ploy for the gullible to think they are getting a great deal, its all bloody nonsense, they could clearly have given you the deal at the start of the discussion
That is just a ploy for the gullible to think they are getting a great deal, its all bloody nonsense, they could clearly have given you the deal at the start of the discussion
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It is so out dated and really silly, most people just want to be treated fairly and politely, which is very easy, yet places follow out dates sales processes that probably lose a fair few deals
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Yep - I totally agree that this way of doing it is crap.
Chances are most people know what their car is worth and what they should be paying for a car - just offer a fair price and probably make more sales as a result
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It is so out dated and really silly, most people just want to be treated fairly and politely, which is very easy, yet places follow out dates sales processes that probably lose a fair few deals
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Yep - I totally agree that this way of doing it is crap.
Chances are most people know what their car is worth and what they should be paying for a car - just offer a fair price and probably make more sales as a result
Why not just give the fella the margin £ and let him get on with the job?
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Sadly a lot of car dealers, particularly main dealers, insist on it in this way and make is part of the sale process. I am with you if the sales person is good and experienced why not give them the margin they have to work with, rather than the continue back and forwards to the sales managers office
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That is just a ploy for the gullible to think they are getting a great deal, its all bloody nonsense, they could clearly have given you the deal at the start of the discussion
[/quote] 'Buyers are liars' and 'nobody walks' thats what we were told when I sold cars... give away too much and you find yourself in a dutch auction with another dealership, give them a figure for a part exchange and someone down the road will better it. The guy out on his own, could he make a decision to buy a car or was he a BMWW (brave man without wife), if he was then re-appoint him with the decision maker... his wife. It all about qualification, not only on what someone wants to buy, but also their budget.
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Buyers are not normally liars - they are there to buy a car otherwise they would be in Tesco looking at Florence and Fred stuff.
Yes someone will always give a better price but at some point we are talking of £50 so why keep looking - the only thing that is important is the price to change and not much else other than APR maybe.
I am always asked for a budget and never ever give one, just a reason for them to try and rip you off, if I want to spend £350 a month then I will but it won't be on a bottom of the range fiesta, on an ST maybe so again it will depend what I am getting for my hard earned rather than what I want to spend.
In fact when I looked at a 330e company car - adding in tech, sport and premium packs only increased the price by £20 as the residual value increased significantly.
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Sadly a lot of car dealers, particularly main dealers, insist on it in this way and make is part of the sale process. I am with you if the sales person is good and experienced why not give them the margin they have to work with, rather than the continue back and forwards to the sales managers office
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That is just a ploy for the gullible to think they are getting a great deal, its all bloody nonsense, they could clearly have given you the deal at the start of the discussion
[/quote] 'Buyers are liars' and 'nobody walks' thats what we were told when I sold cars... give away too much and you find yourself in a dutch auction with another dealership, give them a figure for a part exchange and someone down the road will better it. The guy out on his own, could he make a decision to buy a car or was he a BMWW (brave man without wife), if he was then re-appoint him with the decision maker... his wife. It all about qualification, not only on what someone wants to buy, but also their budget.
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Buyers are not normally liars - they are there to buy a car otherwise they would be in Tesco looking at Florence and Fred stuff.
Yes someone will always give a better price but at some point we are talking of £50 so why keep looking - the only thing that is important is the price to change and not much else other than APR maybe.
I am always asked for a budget and never ever give one, just a reason for them to try and rip you off, if I want to spend £350 a month then I will but it won't be on a bottom of the range fiesta, on an ST maybe so again it will depend what I am getting for my hard earned rather than what I want to spend.
In fact when I looked at a 330e company car - adding in tech, sport and premium packs only increased the price by £20 as the residual value increased significantly.
I usually ask what is the price to exchange and tell them I am not bothered about how much their car is or how much they give me for mine, all I want is how much it will cost me. I usually follow that up with that I want one figure and if I like I will buy there and then, if I don't I will walk away. Sometimes they let you walk but more often than not you get a deal.Z450 said:Ole gits rule said:Z450 said:Sadly a lot of car dealers, particularly main dealers, insist on it in this way and make is part of the sale process. I am with you if the sales person is good and experienced why not give them the margin they have to work with, rather than the continue back and forwards to the sales managers office
That is just a ploy for the gullible to think they are getting a great deal, its all bloody nonsense, they could clearly have given you the deal at the start of the discussion
It is so out dated and really silly, most people just want to be treated fairly and politely, which is very easy, yet places follow out dates sales processes that probably lose a fair few deals
Nanu said:
Basically just said the same thing, price to change is all that matters - car can be £20k and they give me £10K so £10k to change and if it is £50 and I get £40k still the same.
Helping my sister in law at the moment and she has walked away from the car she wanted as it looked as if she was not getting fair value for her car - now looking at another dealer to see what she can get
More than once when faced with the "I need to take this to my manager" situation, aka as having a cuppa and letting the customer twiddle their thumbs, the salesperson has been politely informed that if someone is not sitting across from me with the authority to do the deal within 5 minutes, my custom was going elsewhere.
Nanu said:So it's well accepted fact that VO cars are faster. With Pure Traction interior they must be faster still!
I heard each gives an extra 15bhp
Only 264 VO 35IS were sold worldwide, compare that to over 2,000 VO 1Ms and you can see how rare they are. OK, the difference there is that BMW refused to make more 1Ms even though people were queuing up for them, whereas they would surely like to have sold more 35IS but no one wanted them...
