Prefacelift airbag modules

enuff_zed

Lifer
Attleborough, Norfolk
There are a lot of SBSL and SBSR failures popping up. It is getting difficult to find replacements with the correct part numbers.
Whilst digging around to find a solution I have uncovered a rumour that it is possible to use any module, regardless of part number compatibility, provided the new module is 'virginised' (not my term)
Has anyone heard of this or know how to do it?
At the moment it seems the airbag light is threatening to take early zeds off the roads.
 
I've had an airbag module failure on my '03 and had it sorted by some polish guy from ebay. It costet some 170€ and works fine so far now. I've found the guy by searching by part number on ebay.
 
x-driver said:
I've had an airbag module failure on my '03 and had it sorted by some polish guy from ebay. It costet some 170€ and works fine so far now. I've found the guy by searching by part number on ebay.
Was that the centre one or one of the satellite ones?
 
Have you tried asking some of those who can repair the centre one if they can do the satellites?
 
x-driver said:
Have you tried asking some of those who can repair the centre one if they can do the satellites?
Yes that was my first port of call. No go so far.
 
Hi enuff
I saw a video on my pc by searching airbag light and it showed using a resister part connected across two pins on a black box connector positioned next to the battery in the boot. It seemed to switch off the dashboard light but was obviously useful if an MOT was coming up although it was pointed out as a temporary fix for the dashboard light.
 
Mike6 said:
Hi enuff
I saw a video on my pc by searching airbag light and it showed using a resister part connected across two pins on a black box connector positioned next to the battery in the boot. It seemed to switch off the dashboard light but was obviously useful if an MOT was coming up although it was pointed out as a temporary fix for the dashboard light.
Colb just mentioned it on another thread. Gets you through an MOT but of course means the airbag wouldn't work.
 
Sounds like what Mike6 saw was a resistor put on the battery pyro connector which is part of the airbag system, resistance on that must have been wrong hence the fitting of the resistor. Those pyro connections can become loose over time and should set a code and light the airbag light to draw attention to the fault. Usually tapping it home restores the resistance and should allow the code to be cleared. Not quite the same as those fooling kits I mentioned in the other thread.
 
colb said:
Sounds like what Mike6 saw was a resistor put on the battery pyro connector which is part of the airbag system, resistance on that must have been wrong hence the fitting of the resistor. Those pyro connections can become loose over time and should set a code and light the airbag light to draw attention to the fault. Usually tapping it home restores the resistance and should allow the code to be cleared. Not quite the same as those fooling kits I mentioned in the other thread.
Ah fair enough. Thank you.
 
What’s the issue with the satellite ones?

My central one was fried many years ago (prior to purchase) and I got round the MOT with a strategically placed bit of insulation tape.

Following that I searched high and low, eventually found a used module which I got reprogrammed.

Is the issue similar with satellite? They get fried and then? Can’t be replaced or repaired? I’m assuming they don’t need reprogramming like the central ECU module?

I believe the central one fries if the top is left down and it rains? Although not 100% sure.
 
kis said:
What’s the issue with the satellite ones?

My central one was fried many years ago (prior to purchase) and I got round the MOT with a strategically placed bit of insulation tape.

Following that I searched high and low, eventually found a used module which I got reprogrammed.

Is the issue similar with satellite? They get fried and then? Can’t be replaced or repaired? I’m assuming they don’t need reprogramming like the central ECU module?

I believe the central one fries if the top is left down and it rains? Although not 100% sure.
Importantly, I am starting to see evidence that some centre modules (SIM85) and possibly the later design (ASCM) in the facelift cars are being affected by too many jump starts. I don't pretend to understand why, but it does seem that cars left over winter then jump started continually until the owner finally succumbs to a new battery are more likely to get airbag module failures.

Satellite ones get wet due to leaks. Then they die. For some reason the left side do it more than the right, possibly due to water spilling over from the roof motor well when the drains block.
They need the same coding (VIN and system time) as the main module. Likewise, they have to be replaced with a compatible one. There is a batch of left side numbers that I've seen fail a lot in the last few months and finding spares is getting increasingly difficult.
So far I've not found anywhere that can repair them.

Options are:
1. Find a repair service.
2. Try to track down more compatible ones (and obviously their value will increase exponentially!).
3. Try to find a way to make other modules work.

This third option will need a breaker car that won't matter too much if it is messed up. I'm looking into that.

There is also a chance that the part numbers only need to be compatible with the other modules, not the car itself, in which case another (more expensive) option is to replace all three as a set. Again, practice on an old car may prove or disprove this.

It does increasingly seem that unless an answer is found that these cars could become very difficult to get through MOTs.

As I have the time, the software and a bit of practice with these modules now, I am starting to invest in units from dismantled cars, in the hope I can at least provide a solution for some people.
 
That’s an interesting read. If I stumble across a local Zed being broken I’ll be sure to collect the modules for your admirable cause!
 
kis said:
That’s an interesting read. If I stumble across a local Zed being broken I’ll be sure to collect the modules for your admirable cause!
I’ll gladly buy them from you for my stock.
But maybe not everyone will like the idea of one person gathering them all up?
If anyone wants to collect their own I’m still more than happy to help with coding etc.
 
I've done another half dozen airbag modules over the last few weeks. A mix of left, right and centre. Plus one car where the garage disgnosed the SIM85 and when I got there I discovered the SBSL was dead as well.

Whilst I am happy to have got so many cars sorted, it does mean I am running low on modules. I suppose eventually I will have to succumb to ebay prices, but naturally I'll need to pass that on when I use them.
Please can you all keep your eyes peeled and let me know if you see any pre-facelifts being broken.
If you are searching for one yourself, when you find it, please enquire whether the other two are available as well. :thumbsup:
 
It seems the world is starting to wake up to the airbag module issue.
A quick trawl of eBay is showing the centre (SIM85) creeping up to £200-220 for a used one.
SBSL and SBSR are now passing £80-100 each!
I'm going to try to find them where I can and keep supply, fit, code prices down, but it's getting increasingly difficult. Keep your eyes open for bargains.
For those with pre-facelift models it is worth finding someone with INPA who can read your existing part numbers, or simply get access to the modules and note them, then see if you can pick up spares.
 
I am now officially all out of left satellite modules (SBSL) apart from a couple that are earmarked for people.
Still happy to help coding but unless I can find more I’m afraid it will rely on you supplying the replacement.
 
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