At this point im pretty much justifying why I believe its fine for me to use it. Iv always liked having the last laugh I guess.. :lol: in the end im not hurting anybody else or you guys an entire country away so what ever. Ill do what I believe I should do with my life. Have a nice day all. :hattip:
*POLL* opinion on marijuana use?
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You are trying to justify your illegal activity and quite frankly nothing you say or do will change the fact that it is illegal.
How this thread has managed to survive is actually beyond me!
I couldn't care less what you do and I don't care for your justification. In this country if you have an issue with your health then you seek medical advice and assistance. You don't pop round the corner to your local dealer for a fix.
If certain countries and states allow very ill people to use it for medical purposes then fine, however do not use someone else's incurable disease to justify your own illegal actions.
If you want to smoke it then fine, however a car forum is not the place to be divulging such activities.
How this thread has managed to survive is actually beyond me!
I couldn't care less what you do and I don't care for your justification. In this country if you have an issue with your health then you seek medical advice and assistance. You don't pop round the corner to your local dealer for a fix.
If certain countries and states allow very ill people to use it for medical purposes then fine, however do not use someone else's incurable disease to justify your own illegal actions.
If you want to smoke it then fine, however a car forum is not the place to be divulging such activities.
Xiaxio said:
Can I point out that at NO point have you advised that a Doctor has advised you to use this. They've prescribed you with pills, sorry but your 18 years old you shouldn't have been on such pills for many years. Any doctor wouldn't keep prescribing for such an otherwise fit and healthy person and would be referring you to a specialist to get to the bottom of why you can't sleep.
I assume you don't spend hours on end on the PC or on phones/tablets or playing video games each evening if so that's probably not helping you at all.
dr_john said:
This.
Though this thread is not about legalisation, it's about what the OP is doing... Which personally I have no problem with in the context. If it works for you and you're not doing anything whilst high that will f**k up someone else's life then carry on.
You have however opened a can of worms with a thread like this on here... Maybe best to let it fade away my friend :wink:
No i don't play video games or use the internet all day like most people my age. My days are usually just go to school, work till 10pm go home play video games for about an hour then sleep.Angie4m said:
The insurance at my work doesn't cover too much and the insurance my mother has me under doesn't cover everything my doctor recommends. He and my psychiatrist think it has something to do with a brain injury I had a couple months back on my motorcycle. Some medication I cant take that might help with my sleep due to the fact I take so many medications already. Pills for depression, PTSD, bipolar, panic attacks, sever migraines due to the brain injury, pills for the pain in my knee, and the medication I take for when all those pills make me sick.
They changed a few medications that I take for some of the sleeping pills to see if it helps but I just cant find the right cocktail of medication to help with everything. They could change the medicine I take for ptsd and some other medication so I can try a new sleeping pill. The sleeping pill can help but then the new ptsd medication won't work. Its all just a big mess. If I could find the right medication then id stop using marijuana all together.
Wow there are some pretty judgemental views on this thread. I'd be inclined to be on the side of Darren, Jimbo and Bing on this. The OP's not doing anyone any harm (other than potentially himself). I'd be more inclined to help him find a solution to the depression etc.
I've never taken any illegal substances, ever. Nor will I ever either. It's not my bag. I have had pretty close up experience of hard drug use from others though.
As a result I have the polar opposite opinion to Tim - I think ALL illegal drugs should be legalised. Then our crime rates would plummet overnight, we could properly treat people with problems and we would stop stigmatising people with addiction problems and actually help them rather than criminalise them. One of the great frustrations I have about modern life is that society keeps burying it's head in the sand and thinks that by keeping drugs illegal it somehow "protects our kids" to use tabloid style language. Does it bollocks protect your kids. If your kid is going to be a smack head they will, whether it's legal or not. Because the addiction itself isn't the issue, it's the symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. Addiction is about anaesthetising pain caused by some other issue(s) in the persons life. It's about temporary escape. Some people choose drugs, other people choose equally destructive things (Paul Gascoine anyone?). The point is, that the legal status has no bearing whatsoever other than enriching a bunch of gangsters and terrorist organisations the world over.
The idea that by legalising them we will create an army of new addicts is fallacy. If you are prone to an addiction you will almost certainly be an addict whether it's legal or not. There's an argument that you might actually reduce addiction numbers because it will no longer be seen as "forbidden" and therefore will be less cool.
I don't think it's any surprise that crime has been falling whilst "legal high" use has been rising - people switching from illegally supplied substances controlled by criminals to legal supply provided by legitimate enterprises.
I've never taken any illegal substances, ever. Nor will I ever either. It's not my bag. I have had pretty close up experience of hard drug use from others though.
As a result I have the polar opposite opinion to Tim - I think ALL illegal drugs should be legalised. Then our crime rates would plummet overnight, we could properly treat people with problems and we would stop stigmatising people with addiction problems and actually help them rather than criminalise them. One of the great frustrations I have about modern life is that society keeps burying it's head in the sand and thinks that by keeping drugs illegal it somehow "protects our kids" to use tabloid style language. Does it bollocks protect your kids. If your kid is going to be a smack head they will, whether it's legal or not. Because the addiction itself isn't the issue, it's the symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. Addiction is about anaesthetising pain caused by some other issue(s) in the persons life. It's about temporary escape. Some people choose drugs, other people choose equally destructive things (Paul Gascoine anyone?). The point is, that the legal status has no bearing whatsoever other than enriching a bunch of gangsters and terrorist organisations the world over.
The idea that by legalising them we will create an army of new addicts is fallacy. If you are prone to an addiction you will almost certainly be an addict whether it's legal or not. There's an argument that you might actually reduce addiction numbers because it will no longer be seen as "forbidden" and therefore will be less cool.
I don't think it's any surprise that crime has been falling whilst "legal high" use has been rising - people switching from illegally supplied substances controlled by criminals to legal supply provided by legitimate enterprises.
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Love it Carol. Wow you have been through the wars eh?
All those problems- depression, bipolar, PTSD, panic attacks, migraines, insomnia etc.
Sounds like you are a hypochondriac.
I must say though you post a lot of random things and never have I read that you had a brain injury caused by a motorcycle accident.
Is your doctor by any chance Dr Nicholas "Nick" Riviera?
All those problems- depression, bipolar, PTSD, panic attacks, migraines, insomnia etc.
Sounds like you are a hypochondriac.
I must say though you post a lot of random things and never have I read that you had a brain injury caused by a motorcycle accident.
Is your doctor by any chance Dr Nicholas "Nick" Riviera?
well like you said. A lot of random things. Its not to often that I post personal stuff. There was a point a awhile back that I just stopped posting. That was about the time more or less when it happened. The migraines were caused by another accident a few years back though. As for the incident on the bike I just never really bothered posting about it. By the time I started posting again I was much better. The bike wasn't to bad as I was hit from the back by a lady texting and driving. I almost recovered but the person on my right got scared and hit me because of course, texting also...Nictrix said:
It wasn't the smoothest accident... I could only wish I had Dr.Nick as my doctor.
For medical use, I think it's immoral that people with chronic diseases such as MS aren't allowed to use it. If there is scientific proof that it relieves pain and suffering for people with chronic diseases it should be able to be used legally. After all, methadone, amphetamine and morphine are all legal medical drugs.
dr_john said:
I agree alcohol is a drug and a cause of great negativity in society including anti social behaviour, crime, cost to the NHS and the list goes on.
Legalising marijuana would exacerbate those negatives in my opinion.
A notable percentage of people on class A drugs began on less potent drugs rather than starting use with hard drugs such as Heroin, crack Cocaine etc.
The comments above should inspire us to police the misuse of alcohol rather than legalise marijuana.
I'm not referring to the masses becoming addicted rather that a socially acceptable drug ( alcohol ) should not be cited to add another harmful choice in a society.
If people feel something is not harmful they are more likely to give it a try and I see this in the number of youngsters taking up cigarette smoking which is seen as slightly more acceptable yet is clearly very harmful but possibly less damaging to the brain than Marijuana with prolonged use.
The exchequer does do well out of these things so I can't see that these things will be tackled with much fervour by the powers that be.
No offence intended to anyone
Interesting debate, i'd echo what Inkey said in his first post tbh. I'd probably not reply but sometimes i think it's really important that people see other's opinions on this, especially in this case those who just say 'no, its illegal, hang anyone that uses it'. Have open minds folks, open minds.
There's a few questions here, firstly - legalisation.. Personally, i'm all for legalising it, regulating it, controlling flow, taxing it, monitoring it heavily and adjusting regulation accordingly. Do i trust the govt to do this effectively? no, but can we continue in society to not advance because we have no faith in the govt? guess not.
Some reasons to legalise it, imo:
+massive tax income
+legalised recreational use would promote safer (weed) variants, rather than the less (hardcore wtf my brain is melting skunk). Frankly, it's just much more fun, which is why people do it.
+might help prevent the use as a gateway drug to further, more dangerous illegal stuff. If anyone has ever had a 'dealer' the pretty heavy skunk is usually the most 'lightweight' think they'll try and sell you. Nothing about Marijuana makes you want to sit in a slum chewing crack rocks, it's the connection to the darker side of drug underworld that might link you to it's availability and becoming part of the scene.
+education on it's use, dangers, risk and consequences.
+crime rate reduction.. MASSIVELY.
+less money being pumped into the criminal world
Secondly - medical? Yep, no reason why not.
Third question here - should this guy, aged 18 or whatever be using it regularly? no - scientific evidence has proved it WILL (and probably already has) heavily affect certain brain functions, including memory. I have a friend with similar insomnia problems, the prescribed stuff doesn't work at all - so i can understand why you're doing this - but i'd (if i were you) make as much effort as possible to find alternatives for the next few years at least.
Endless debate really. The recent Channel 4 program was very good, though clearly had an agenda (warning people about skunk vs standard cannabis). For the US audience, get a browser proxy and connect via the UK: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/drugs-live/on-demand
Currently you've got people like (no offence) half of this forum who think it's bad regardless of what anyone says (including the worlds top scientists), just because it's illegal. This means their kids grow up having no exposure to it and no idea about the risks/dangers when young, and frankly they wont ever discuss with their parents - but i guarantee they'll get hold of it, and it wont be the good (read: safe) stuff. Then again these people could probably do with a bit of worldly experience, travel the planet and see how the other half live - but chances are if you're in a position to be driving a Z4 you're probably past that life phase so maybe it's too late for you. Thankfully - my generation is coming along (fair, liberal, not god fearing, more accepting and green aware!), and we're gonna fix this stuff for the(our) future
Adios!
All my opinion, so don't take this as an attack on yours - it's great to have healthy debate, maybe some people (myself included) will learn something from having a discussion.
There's a few questions here, firstly - legalisation.. Personally, i'm all for legalising it, regulating it, controlling flow, taxing it, monitoring it heavily and adjusting regulation accordingly. Do i trust the govt to do this effectively? no, but can we continue in society to not advance because we have no faith in the govt? guess not.
Some reasons to legalise it, imo:
+massive tax income
+legalised recreational use would promote safer (weed) variants, rather than the less (hardcore wtf my brain is melting skunk). Frankly, it's just much more fun, which is why people do it.
+might help prevent the use as a gateway drug to further, more dangerous illegal stuff. If anyone has ever had a 'dealer' the pretty heavy skunk is usually the most 'lightweight' think they'll try and sell you. Nothing about Marijuana makes you want to sit in a slum chewing crack rocks, it's the connection to the darker side of drug underworld that might link you to it's availability and becoming part of the scene.
+education on it's use, dangers, risk and consequences.
+crime rate reduction.. MASSIVELY.
+less money being pumped into the criminal world
Secondly - medical? Yep, no reason why not.
Third question here - should this guy, aged 18 or whatever be using it regularly? no - scientific evidence has proved it WILL (and probably already has) heavily affect certain brain functions, including memory. I have a friend with similar insomnia problems, the prescribed stuff doesn't work at all - so i can understand why you're doing this - but i'd (if i were you) make as much effort as possible to find alternatives for the next few years at least.
Endless debate really. The recent Channel 4 program was very good, though clearly had an agenda (warning people about skunk vs standard cannabis). For the US audience, get a browser proxy and connect via the UK: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/drugs-live/on-demand
Currently you've got people like (no offence) half of this forum who think it's bad regardless of what anyone says (including the worlds top scientists), just because it's illegal. This means their kids grow up having no exposure to it and no idea about the risks/dangers when young, and frankly they wont ever discuss with their parents - but i guarantee they'll get hold of it, and it wont be the good (read: safe) stuff. Then again these people could probably do with a bit of worldly experience, travel the planet and see how the other half live - but chances are if you're in a position to be driving a Z4 you're probably past that life phase so maybe it's too late for you. Thankfully - my generation is coming along (fair, liberal, not god fearing, more accepting and green aware!), and we're gonna fix this stuff for the(our) future
Adios!All my opinion, so don't take this as an attack on yours - it's great to have healthy debate, maybe some people (myself included) will learn something from having a discussion.
Well said, jimmybell,
I see absolutely no difference between alcohol, nicotine and marijuana, abuse of each has significant issues to you and those around you, two of them are acceptable in moderation, one is probably the most addictive substance known to man and a poison to boot.
I see absolutely no difference between alcohol, nicotine and marijuana, abuse of each has significant issues to you and those around you, two of them are acceptable in moderation, one is probably the most addictive substance known to man and a poison to boot.
shows how nieve i am lol. i don't even know what marijuana is
i no loads of poeple who smoke stuff and they seem ok to be me so i no worries with them, on the other hand there's loads of lads i know who drink too much beer and cause problems in the pubs
so, i'd be more warey of a larger lout than a pot head
i no loads of poeple who smoke stuff and they seem ok to be me so i no worries with them, on the other hand there's loads of lads i know who drink too much beer and cause problems in the pubs
so, i'd be more warey of a larger lout than a pot head
I can only say - if you have any questions, or are unsure, or are just curious about some scientific evidence (and an interesting program!) - checkout that Channel 4 program i linked, it's pretty interesting stuff - you get to see Jon Snow stoned on TV if nothing else.