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BMWZ4MC said:
It's interesting that mine at the same mileage showed no wear even with heavy track use.

It seems like their is no pattern to the cars that have these issues..... I'm looking forward to pulling mine at around 20k , if we figure that Fi adds more stress on those components I'd expect to see some wear by 20k this seems like a safe interval to change. However as I've had my car from so few miles I'm confident on its warm up procedures and general treatment
 
In response to the op I have massive sympathies and hope it all goes well, I would have also been in massive anxiety mode. Very glad to see all the encouraging and helpful posts here to the op. It just goes to show what a friendly and helpful forum this is which is why I still frequent this forum even though I no longer own a zed.
 
mr wilks said:
BMWZ4MC said:
Have you considered incompetence?! They may not be terribly familiar with the S54 as its not be used in a new car for 6-7 years.

My thoughts RE the servicing are with Z4M-2006 previously mentioning the possibility the valve clearances could wrongly be set too tight after Ins1 or 2 service & a decent indy may offer a better service as they could be more likely to see S54s for major service work than a BMW main dealer ?
The indys will more likely keep a nucleus of experienced staff ( if not owner operators) as opposed to a main dealer who any decent mechanic would probably leave after a few years :?


Just to add a note there Andy...

The valve clearances tighten up naturally due to valve seat recession, it's another thing the S54 does suffer from. So when the valve clearances are checked, the valve clearance will not appear loose..so many will not adjust... This is an oversight as a tight clearance is a lot worse than a loose one..

It's grabbing at straws really, but there hAs to be some reason that the S54 is doing followers and cams.. If it was all followers and cams at the same time due to oil starvation or degradation then it would be easier to understand the cause..
But when individual rockers and cam lobes become damaged then you have to look a lot deeper for a cause..

Rod bearing wear...

I think on all "S" derived engines, the bearings should be looked at as a consumable..I would suggest 50k changes to be very safe... I have only had the bottom end out of around half a dozen S54's all being M3's... But without exception they all had wear on the shells to the point that refitment wasn't an option
 
Andrew, you say that the bearing shells have already been replaced. So is the photograph you've posted showing the second set of bearing shells which have already worn that much in a short time? Or, do you mean that BMW has presently replaced the bearing shells?
 
exdos, The ones shown in the picture have now been replaced.

A question was asked earlier about who did the inspection II - it was done by the previous owner at ProTech cars in Aylesbury in July 2014.

I phoned ProTech cars to ask whether they had adjusted the clearances - they said that "they checked them and they didn't need doing" - this really starts to make sense with what Z4M-2006, is saying about them becoming too tight.

I am in no doubt that the shells needed replacing after everyone on here is helping me with advice - problem I have with it is as BMWZ4MC, said, which is they led me to believe this would sort the problem although I told them when taking it in that it was definitely top end. Maybe that was naive of me but, as I said, I am not technical to that degree. I did authorise that work however.

Didnt get a chance to write the letter to BMW last night so will do it today.
 
What an awful situation..

So I take it that you have a 3rd party warranty from the car dealer or is it a mondial warranty that you took out with BMW ?

Even though you authorised the work, and the rod bearings look worn enough to want changing but not enough to have caused your initial noise, I think you have to stand your corner and argue the point that authorisation was given with the proviso of the fault being rectified..

It's worth a try to try and get goodwill or come to some kind of deal as you have nothing to lose at the moment.

Ask for an appointment with the dealer principal and get BMW GB involved..
 
On the valve clearances, I know there is a tolerance and I guess if they are within tolerance the TIS guidance will be to leave them, irrespective of whether they are on the tighter or looser end, right ? So with that in mind, when having them done would it be best to ask that they are adjusted back to as close to the middle of the tolerance as possible, even if they're within spec ?
 
Yes..
There is a tolerance....it's 0.05 iirc...
I always aim to get them in the middle but always on the loose side..

So if your Tolerance is 0.28-0.33 then I would try to get 0.31 as the measured value..
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Yes..
There is a tolerance....it's 0.05 iirc...
I always aim to get them in the middle but always on the loose side..

So if your Tolerance is 0.28-0.33 then I would try to get 0.31 as the measured value..

Thanks for that :thumbsup:

Of course you never really know if they've done what you ask, but as mine will go to an indie I've used for a few years now I'm very confident they'd do it if I specifically asked for it.
 
Of course...
It's hard to know if they have done it or not...

It will take around 4 hrs and the engine has to be stone cold..

Trust in your local Indy that knows what the S54 is all about..
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Of course...
It's hard to know if they have done it or not...

It will take around 4 hrs and the engine has to be stone cold..

Trust in your local Indy that knows what the S54 is all about..
My indy will photograph the whole process and give you a before/after valve clearance sheet if you mention your worries. I don't ask any more and he just gives me a verbal report.

What I was finding in my last few visits to BMW dealers (remember, I was doing 2 or 3 scheduled service visits a year for 5 years, plus a few warranty visits), was that all the little 'reports' you used to get as part of the service/inspection (brake pad/disc wear, tyre wear, valve clearances, bodywork report, etc.) were no longer being offered, and you have to remind them - both when you dropped it off and before you picked it up - that you needed these reports for your documentation history.

If they can't provide them, then I assumed it wasn't done and would get my indy to double-check.

Of course this still doesn't mean they've actually done it as they can probably knock up a fake one in minutes. But at least it shows you're not a gullible punter who knows nothing about the car or service requirements.

It can both ways though - as one dealer (when I had my sticking caliper NSF (isn't it always) done under warranty) told me my rears were below the legal limit and would I like them to fit a new pair at £320 (each). I said thanks for the info, but unless they can match LoveTyres around the corner (£320 for the pair) then I'd take it to LoveTyres instead. Booked tyres with LoveTyres for the next day and got a phone call later in the morning asking whether it was definitely the rears I wanted as there was 4mm across the tread - except for a bit of feathering on the inside edge. :headbang:

The other thing that happened at the same dealership was that when they thought it was the customer paying for the seized caliper, they insisted that both calipers, both discs (due to the scoring caused by the seized caliper) and all 4 pads HAD to be replaced to maintain equal braking performance. They didn't mention anything else when I said it was under a Mondial warranty, but when I went to pick it I was told that only the one caliper had been covered by warranty and they wanted the rest from me. I was about to argue about them doing unauthorised work, but they were only asking me to pay for the pads. Didn't realise until I went to the car that this meant they hadn't replaced the OSF caliper or the discs :x

It's not a one-off occurrence with dealers - it seems to be a systematic, money-grabbing, corner-cutting, penny-pinching, conspiracy :wkr:

I'm glad I'm out of the warranty period now, and no longer have to jump through expensive hoops for sub-standard work.
 
Bmw are bad for it....

s**t company to work for, s**t company to deal with..

Pity we like the product so much
 
Forget the monkeys, speak to the organ grinder dealer principle mate.....you don't pay £2500 for them to 'have a guess' at what's wrong...if they guess wrong then they pay....how is their lack of knowledge your fault???!

Also, if it comes to it then threaten to name and shame em...post your story across all the forums, it'll cost them a lot more than fixing your car properly!
 
andrew, i know this won't make you feel any better but.... if you have some time, to help you understand the rod bearing issue.... grab a cup of tea, close the door and read this thread for some education. At least be able to talk about the issues with some confidence to the powers at be, i find this REALLY helps in certain situations, mechanical failures being a large one....

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892838
 
I've just had a quick scan of that link and it will be an awesome read.

Since bearing shell wear appears to be as a result of oil failing to penetrate to the centre section of the shells, I'm wondering if anyone has ever produced a bearing shell with a sort of "treaded" internal surface, so that oil can pass through the treads with a constant film of oil that will cover the crankshaft?
 
exdos said:
I've just had a quick scan of that link and it will be an awesome read.

Since bearing shell wear appears to be as a result of oil failing to penetrate to the centre section of the shells, I'm wondering if anyone has ever produced a bearing shell with a sort of "treaded" internal surface, so that oil can pass through the treads with a constant film of oil that will cover the crankshaft?

yes..... they are starting to make these for testing on the s65 now... also another company called LANG are actually custom widening the crank journal and using widened custom rod bearings to good effect.
 
anyone that wants to really get to grips with the rod bearing issue particularly read that thread... bear in mind this is the s65 engine that was produced a decade on from when the s54 started having bearing issues, why are bmw not learning from the past?
 
Hi again all,

first off Beedub, that is a brilliant article and video for someone like me - very interesting and a great read - thanks for that and the kind words.

To give everyone an update - I am waiting for the CEO of BMW to get back to me after me sending my email. I spoke to BMW UK "customer service" and had the most frustrating conversation for an hour. They are refusing my goodwill claim due to the age and mileage of the car - saying that it is out of age and mileage parameters of potential goodwill claims - I am sure I have heard others with older cars getting goodwill. They didnt seem to understand my point about th camshafts not being a serviceable part and basically said it is reasonable for a car of this age and mileage to need this amount of work doing to it - Fucking infuriating and frustrating!

From here I will wait to see whether the CEO (Graeme Grieves) gets back to me and if not I guess I will have to cut my loses - sell the car with the problem and an estimate from Munich legends to fix the problem - or fix the problem then sell it.

s**t situation and still have to pay BMW 2.5K +VAT for work that hasn't fixed the problem - ridiculous.
 
AndrewZ4MC said:
Hi again all,

first off Beedub, that is a brilliant article and video for someone like me - very interesting and a great read - thanks for that and the kind words.

To give everyone an update - I am waiting for the CEO of BMW to get back to me after me sending my email. I spoke to BMW UK "customer service" and had the most frustrating conversation for an hour. They are refusing my goodwill claim due to the age and mileage of the car - saying that it is out of age and mileage parameters of potential goodwill claims - I am sure I have heard others with older cars getting goodwill. They didnt seem to understand my point about th camshafts not being a serviceable part and basically said it is reasonable for a car of this age and mileage to need this amount of work doing to it - f***ing infuriating and frustrating!

From here I will wait to see whether the CEO (Graeme Grieves) gets back to me and if not I guess I will have to cut my loses - sell the car with the problem and an estimate from Munich legends to fix the problem - or fix the problem then sell it.

s**t situation and still have to pay BMW 2.5K +VAT for work that hasn't fixed the problem - ridiculous.

no probs buddy, i hope you leaerned something from that thread because i did.... ///M S engines have some pretty bad inherent flaws that continue to make it to production.

Absolutely gutted for you on this one andrew, seriously ALL of our worst nightmares. They should wave the bill so far and let you leave with the car in pieces, even if they won't help with the good will push for that.
 
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