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[Mroadster]

I do really appreciate the advice, but I definitely won't waste (it is, for me, a waste) 2k£ of perfectly fine and good looking wrap just to entice a potential buyer.. as I wrote in my OP, this is for those that can appreciate the current upgrades on the car. I can only guarantee that this is a perfectly executed, professional wrap, done by guys that every week wrap Bugattis and Rolls Royces and other unique cars.. not a cheap wrap job done by someone that would cover damage and cut the paint in the process.

 

[john-e89]

I do really appreciate the advice, but I definitely won't waste (it is, for me, a waste) 2k£ of perfectly fine and good looking wrap just to entice a potential buyer.. as I wrote in my OP, this is for those that can appreciate the current upgrades on the car. I can only guarantee that this is a perfectly executed, professional wrap, done by guys that every week wrap Bugattis and Rolls Royces and other unique cars.. not a cheap wrap job done by someone that would cover damage and cut the paint in the process.

I have no doubt that your intentions are honourable but giving a ‘guarantee’ is utterly meaningless, especially as you yourself doesn’t know the state of the paint underneath until the wrap comes off. £14.5k is a lot of money in anyone’s book, you really cannot be surprised at people being very very cautious.

Best of luck with the sale, I hope you find the right buyer.

 

[Mroadster]

You're all assuming that the wrappers will have damaged the car in the process. As if I was camping in all the other sellers threads assuming and pointing out that when a mechanic last changed their car's oil, he probably was the worst and accidentally dropped acid in the engine or.. whatever else. You won't know until the engine explodes. So what do you do, you expect and advise the owner to disassemble his whole car in order to sell it.. because otherwise a buyer won't ever know?

I know my guarantee is "utterly meaningless" (thanks, by the way!), I'm just insisting on the fact that this is the work of a serious, professional garage that wraps cars that cost hundreds of thousands of pounds, which are brought to them by the owners when still new, to have them wrapped also as a form of protection.. a garage that works regularly with famous YouTubers, which bring them cars on a monthly basis (you might not be aware, but these guys change cars as often as we change underwear), to wrap, unwrap, rewrap them in a newer fancier colour. Weirdly enough.. no one of them has ever had reason to expose an awful job that destroyed his precious new car?

Here everyone is just assuming it's the work of some amateur.. that most probably damaged and cut the paint.

It's quite ridiculous.. that people that aren't interested in buying come here suggesting the most dreadful things based on no evidence, total assumptions, or having delusions like saying the car lost power, because they're confusing KW with HP.. etc etc.

14.5k£ is a lot of money? There are no cars with my mileage currently for sale on AutoTrader for less than 14.5k£. One is 16k£. All the other cars with lower mileage are over 16k£. All the cheaper cars are still around 13k£, but over 70k, 80k miles (if not over 100k). So my car asking price is actually aligned with the lowest price on the market for cars of my mileage.

Yeah, maybe there's people that is desperate to sell and makes an eBay auction for 11k£ (on cars you can only see on a webpage and you must bid on them without seeing them). That only damages all us owners of Z4's - at least those of us that are preservers and prospective collectors - except maybe those really envious of an M car.

But.. whatever - you're the experts here, so I will shut up. Sorry for being salty, but I'm just trying to sell a car - I didn't expect all this negativity, and it's a bit annoying. Every time I check the thread, I have to read someone pointing out that something about my car probably is wrong, based on no knowledge of it. I've been in several car and bikes forum in my life and I've never seen anything like this. Only because I have a very short history of few posts here, I guess.

 

[mr wilks]

As if I was camping in all the other sellers threads assuming and pointing out that when a mechanic last changed their car's oil, he probably was the worst and accidentally dropped acid in the engine or.. whatever else.

It's quite ridiculous.. that people that aren't interested in buying come here suggesting the most dreadful things based on no evidence, total assumptions

Sorry for being salty, but I'm just trying to sell a car - I didn't expect all this negativity, and it's a bit annoying.

I didn't suggest any of the services were done badly :? your ad title states full service history , anyone looking for a S54 should have service record high on the list in terms of importance & however way you break it down its quite clearly not as it should be .
You are trying to sell a car , some folks have pointed out that the wrap might negate your chances of a sale ? You disagree & that's your opinion but i only see the comments offered as a help towards you achieve your objective .
As for the prices you offer up of similar cars ? Many have stood for months , if they haven't sold why is that ? Bad car ? Bad price ?

 

[tomscott]

I think the wrap looks great! very unique! Car looks nice

Plus its a lovely colour underneath that is pretty rare!

The service schedule could be easily sorted by giving the car an INS2 soonish after purchase for piece of mind by a reputable specialist. The main thing is the car has been serviced regularly in time and mileage, apart from the first service which was abit late. Having 2 INS1 in a row at least its over serviced not under. Although the INS2 should have been done earlier and im not sure if the garage would have checked the valve clearances, or maybe the garage supplied a tolerance sheet. Many of these smaller garages tick the INS2 box because it has an INS1 previous. Not the end of the world the main difference between the two is the valve clearances, possible shim replacement.

Car looks in great condition. Be a great car for someone at sensible money GLWTS OP

 

[Mroadster]

I didn't suggest any of the services were done badly :?

Sorry Wilks, my rant wasn't about your remarks, but just all the (unjustified, I think) negativity about the wrap. And that comment about the power etc.

Thanks, Tom. About inspections.. the detailed invoices (which I have, but haven't posted) show that the valves were checked in 2012 in a service that on the booklet it's been marked as INS1. Apparently they didn't change the gearbox oil, which is the other major INS2 thing (if I'm not wrong). I've already explained about the gearbox oil anyway.

 

[john-e89]

My comment was about £14.5k being a lot of money per se, not about your car in particular, and that’s why people will be wary. Nobody is making assumptions that the wrap will definately have damaged the paint, just that it’s happened before to others, hence the caution, so the suggestion to remove it is one made to help, not hinder, nobody wants you not to sell the car.

Best of luck fella, as I said I hope you find a buyer, no offence intended if you have been.

 

[Mroadster]

My comment was about £14.5k being a lot of money per se, not about your car in particular, and that’s why people will be wary. Nobody is making assumptions that the wrap will definately have damaged the paint, just that it’s happened before to others, hence the caution, so the suggestion to remove it is one made to help, not hinder, nobody wants you not to sell the car.

Best of luck fella, as I said I hope you find a buyer, no offence intended if you have been.

Thanks.. yes, I got it it was "per se" but it seemed all comments were quite negative. These cars are rare and appreciating, so that lot of money becomes actually a good investment opportunity, which isn't something you can say about many cars.

It seems like I have to debate everything otherwise this would be an hijacked thread about a car that has damage covered by wrap, has lost substantial power, poor service history and that costs a lot of money. Really? Come on.

 

[earthdweller]

I think wraps can look amazing ... look at the green Cayman belonging too STG on YouTube .. it is gorgeous

But .. for me that’s on an almost new car,with I’m assuming near faultless paint work and crucially it will probably be removed within 6 months

Look at the Shmee cars and the like .. all short term

We have been wrapping work vehicles at our place for years and after four or five years on the vehicle every single one has looked horrific when the wraps have been removed

Your wrap is on a 12/13 year old car .. only you know what that paint was like before the wrap went on

There’s plenty of years under its belt for body repairs or non factory paint to be on it . and car repair paint doesn’t take well to wraps

Also there’s the chance it’s hiding rust or other nasties underneath

To me .. and this is my personal view I wouldn’t even consider it with the wrap on .. certainly not for top money

If it was mine, no matter how much I loved the colour of the wrap .. I’d have it removed and the car cleaned up/detailed

I’d then sell it in original condition.. I’m sure you’d get a much better response and far more interest

Remember that you are not selling your taste .. but the vehicle

My house is going up for sale in the new year .. it has just been fully redecorated in the latest subtle neutral tones .. why ? Well because that’s what the market wants

It is the same for cars .. for an M to get top money it needs to be as original and authentic as possible

Personally, for me, the wrap reduces the value of the car by what it would cost me to remove it AND respray the car underneath to factory standard

 

[Marlon]

You’ve posted an advert on a specialist Z4 forum for free.
That comes with certain risks – not least is that knowledgeable owners may pass comment, whether those comments are fair or not is always going to be a subjective call. An open forum is the wrong place to advertise if you don’t want feedback or expect only positive comments.
All that aside, its a great looking motor GLWTS

 

[Mroadster]

Thanks Marlon, obviously I'm not expecting only positive comments, but not even all this unjustified negativity, as I already said. I deeply respect "knowledgeable owners", but the things I'm debating aren't "knownledgeable" at all. I respected and clarified on all the remarks that were useful and constructive (even when not positive).

I appreciate an advice to remove the wrap, which I won't do for the reasons already explained. I don't appreciate all the following assumptions that the car is damaged, rusty and whatever else because it's just not the case. I posted pics of what the car looked like just two weeks before the wrap.

Your wrap is on a 12/13 year old car

This comment is almost as funny as "the car has lost some hp as well". It's a 2006, and I believe we're in 2017? The wrap was done when the car was 10 years old, not 12/13. The paintwork was flawless, besides a couple of stone chips, which are absolutely normal and were properly patched by the previous owners. There's no rust anywhere. The car has been - on my request - checked by Dub Customs and Technosport with the order to fix anything that would appear to be wrong with it. I had money to spend when I bought the car, therefore was looking for a good one, which is why I spent 15.5k when there were other cars for sale from 12k. So I was also ready to spend more to make sure it was in proper condition and safeguard it - and as you can imagine, the garages would have been happy to take my money if they could justify it. I also had a full warranty going on from the day I purchased, and still going on now, so if there was anything wrong I would have made a claim and fixed it.

All these comments are really unnecessary and based on no evidence, and their only result is to create panic and hijack my sale. I don't think it's fair. I don't see people going to other threads assuming that an engine is about to explode, etc.

I have to come here everyday to reply to people sharing horror stories about wraps. I don't think everyone with a sales thread has to do the same about horror stories of bad garages doing poor service etc. I just say that my case doesn't necessarily need to be like that, and then the next day someone else comes to add another horror story. Really? Maybe you guys need a thread for wrap horror stories, it doesn't need to be here, it's seriously off topic.

By the way..

Installing vinyl on your vehicle, will damage the paint underneath.

False. In fact, it’s the total opposite. Many people wrap their vehicles to preserve the paint underneath. The vinyl acts as a cover for the paint, preventing any adverse weather or sun from beating on the paint. It also acts the same way a clear bra would, protecting the paint from small scratches and dings from rocks or debris. If uninstalled correctly, the vinyl won’t leave any residue, or peel any paint or clear coat with it. That being said, if the paint is already in bad condition when you apply the vinyl, you can expect it to still be the same when you peel it off!

From: http://finelinegraphics.co/vinyl-wraps-myths-debunked

 

[earthdweller]

Thanks Marlon, obviously I'm not expecting only positive comments, but not even all this unjustified negativity, as I already said.

I appreciate an advice to remove the wrap, which I won't do for the reasons already explained. I don't appreciate all the following assumptions that the car is damaged, rusty and whatever else because it's just not the case. I posted pics of what the car looked like just two weeks before the wrap.

Your wrap is on a 12/13 year old car

This comment is almost as funny as "the car has lost some hp as well". It's a 2006, and I believe we're in 2017? The wrap was done when the car was 10 years old, not 12/13. The paintwork was flawless, besides a couple of stone chips, which are absolutely normal and were properly patched by the previous owners. There's no rust anywhere. The car has been - on my request - checked by Dub Customs and Technosport with the order to fix anything that would appear to be wrong with it. I had money to spend when I bought the car, therefore was looking for a good one, which is why I spent 15.5k when there were other cars for sale from 12k. So I was also ready to spend more to make sure it was in proper condition and safeguard it - and as you can imagine, the garages would have been happy to take my money if they could justify it. I also had a full warranty going on from the day I purchased, and still going on now, so if there was anything wrong I would have made a claim and fixed it.

All these comments are really unnecessary and based on no evidence, and their only result is to create panic and hijack my sale. I don't think it's fair. I don't see people going to other threads assuming that an engine is about to explode, etc.

I have to come here everyday to reply to people sharing horror stories about wraps. I don't think everyone with a sales thread has to do the same about horror stories of bad garages doing poor service etc. I just say that my case doesn't necessarily need to be like that, and then the next day someone else comes to add another horror story. Really? Maybe you guys need a thread for wrap horror stories, it doesn't need to be here, it's seriously off topic.

By the way..

Installing vinyl on your vehicle, will damage the paint underneath.

False. In fact, it’s the total opposite. Many people wrap their vehicles to preserve the paint underneath. The vinyl acts as a cover for the paint, preventing any adverse weather or sun from beating on the paint. It also acts the same way a clear bra would, protecting the paint from small scratches and dings from rocks or debris. If uninstalled correctly, the vinyl won’t leave any residue, or peel any paint or clear coat with it. That being said, if the paint is already in bad condition when you apply the vinyl, you can expect it to still be the same when you peel it off!

From: http://finelinegraphics.co/vinyl-wraps-myths-debunked

I think you have misunderstood what I said

Buying any old car is a risk ... especially a high performance one

I gave you my perspective from a buyers point of view

And

What I thought would be helpful advice to enable you to sell the car on an enthusiasts forum

I didn’t say your car was rusty or damaged at all .. I’ll accept your word quite happily that the car is totally mint underneath .. but then I’m not planning on giving you £14.5k for it .. but wraps can be used to hide all sorts of nastiness

I’ll stand by my comments that a 10 year car wearing a wrap is a far riskier prospect to a potential buyer than a box fresh car

Most 2006 cars, if not already turned into baked bean tins are in the £500+ bracket and probably one owner away from the baked bean tin scenario

The value .. in my mind .. in old cars is in the originality and condition .. and my friendly advice to you to help you sell it, was to remove the wrap .. but yes I get that you like it and don’t want to do that

I don’t want to upset you and I’m sorry if my post has got you cross, but as Marlon said this is an enthusiasts discussion board and not autotrader

What I said, I said with the intention of helping you sell your car and realise the most money for it

Anyway, good luck with the sale

 

[Mroadster]

I thank you all for your efforts in convincing me about removing the wrap, there's basically three pages of that now. I've replied since the beginning explaining that I think it's an upgrade, that is protecting the car and looks great. I will sort with potential buyers about how to deal with it, removing, giving guarantees etc. It's between me and them.

Planes can crash, but are still safer than cars. People can die with surgery, but it's still better than keeping a disease. There's horror stories about anything. So more posts about how dreadful some experiences about wraps have been, aren't really necessary, useful or helping. I'm sure you all can get it. Thanks!

 

[john-e89]

You don’t HAVE to come ‘every day’ to defend the wrap, you can take the sale off a public forum and pay for an ad elsewhere.

3 months and it’s still for sale.....does that not tell you all you need to know? Stick your head in the sand all day long, get cross at people trying to help, but the simple fact is you’re vastly reducing your chance of a sale keeping the wrap, it looks great, but it’s what it looks like underneath that is causing concern, be that rightly or wrongly, but that’s just how it is.

 

[Mroadster]

it’s what it looks like underneath that is causing concern

There's pics of how it looks underneath, and it's simply in mint condition. I think it's my right to just come here and say that the concerns are just unjustified assumptions, and give details and info about the actual state. I don't NEED to come here every day to just state the simple facts about wrap and about my car, but I kind of HAVE TO, otherwise this thread, which is supposed to be a sales thread about my car, in a sales section, was becoming a thread that would be better titled "Let's share horror stories about wraps, without giving any details and context".. or "Let's state and assume things that are simply untrue about this car" (like.. "it has lost power" or "it's 12/13 years old" and so on).. I seriously don't understand why you guys don't get it.

I understood, thanked, replied, explained about the friendly advice. All the rest is repeated, unnecessary, unjustified negativity that just doesn't help at all.

I keep getting comments about having placed a free ad on a forum.. for which I'm very thankful. I came here rather than on AutoTrader because I respect and admire the community and hoped that an enthusiast would buy my car, rather than a random that wouldn't appreciate the rarity, importance and therefore preserve it. Because that's the idea behind me buying it in the first place, and I'm kind of broken hearted to have to sell it.

I don't think I've insulted anyone, or have been unpolite or anything. I've used this forum for over an year now, even though just browsing and sometimes sending a few PMs. I've just politely asked to not go off topic and hijack the thread. Again.

 

[mr wilks]

Jmo op but nothing to stop you starting another sale thread , if you do i would trim through the wording considerably & also thin out the pics .
Along with a couple of interior , under bonnet pics i would add a max of 2/3 as the car stands now (wrapped) & 2/3 as it was previously .
A brief summary of the service history & current brakes / tyre condition . Any further info can be given to interested parties who ask
I suspect as with many cars its about getting feet in front of it & the car would sell itself .
Best of luck & if this is also annoying happy to remove

 

[earthdweller]

I shouldn’t bite ... however

“There's pics of how it looks underneath, and it's simply in mint condition”

I think .. posting pics of the for sale ad from when you bought the car two years ago + is somewhat misleading and cannot be taken as fact to the condition of the vehicle underneath the wrap today

Neither you, I or any person can make an assertion to the exact condition to the paint underneath unless the wrap is removed

Posting pics taken before you owned the vehicle as proof of its condition today is rather disengeneous

 

[john-e89]

it’s what it looks like underneath that is causing concern

There's pics of how it looks underneath, and it's simply in mint condition. .. I seriously don't understand why you guys don't get it.

AFTER the wrap......NOT BEFORE.......!!!!!!

 

[Mroadster]

it’s what it looks like underneath that is causing concern

There's pics of how it looks underneath, and it's simply in mint condition. .. I seriously don't understand why you guys don't get it.

AFTER the wrap......NOT BEFORE.......!!!!!!

Yes, and I've pasted sources that state the simple fact that a good, professional wrap job that is properly installed and properly uninistalled leaves the car exactly as it was before the wrap, as it works exactly like a transparent "bra" film, which is designed ONLY for paint protection and that whose only point is to protect the paint underneath.

I've explained, I think from the very beginning, that I'm not desperate to sell the car, that I'm not willing to unwrap it just to chase a buyer, and that this thread is just for an eventual enthusiast that understands the value of the upgrades. I don't really care if people that don't trust a wrap as a matter of principle, and won't trust me, the wrappers, the dealer etc.. and all the other evidence I posted just run away.

Maybe one day I will be desperate and I will unwrap it for a quick sale for just 5000£. But for the moment..

.. if a positive enthusiast is interested, just message me and we can discuss all the details, in a reasonable way (also about the wrap, obviously). Besides what everyone here is thinking, I'm not trying to trick anyone in buying a damaged, rusty car by putting a layer of wrap on it - it's even a bit insulting that it's been hinted so longly. There's really not much else to say. Thanks for the advice, everybody. Now go criticise someone else's car please?

 

[john-e89]

Best of luck Mroadster, I truly do hope you find a buyer.