Our sick society

It probably does nothing as far as being a deterrent goes, but it would at least feed the need for real justice having been seen to be done....eye for an eye and all that.

Also, the victim's families would be able to take some comfort in the fact that whoever did that to their child would be made to suffer for it.

The bottom line is, something needs to be done because at the moment the justice system is failing us all, so let's at least have the balls to try something different
 
ronk said:
What effect does heavy / real punishment have on violent crime in the USA ?


(I'm certainly not on the side of pat the little angels on the back and give them a holiday brigade - I'm only asking the question)
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I quite like the fact that if some c**t is in your house attempting burglary your are, in some states certainly, allowed to shoot the c**t !

Unlike here where we jail the guy (Tony Martin) that shoots the scum as they are running away - The fact is if he didn't have a shot gun the scum would have assaulted him too !

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ronk said:
What effect does heavy / real punishment have on violent crime in the USA ?


(I'm certainly not on the side of pat the little angels on the back and give them a holiday brigade - I'm only asking the question)
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Hence I think we need go back to the days of proper discipline and respect at school level, I'm not suggesting physical punishment is the answer but a lot of kids have no fear or respect of teachers, the law etc, so if they don't learn it from birth then it's very hard to instil it later in life, there's a saying which says 'give me the child up to seven and I'll show you the man'.
It's the same as a few years ago, they put that ex-chief constable Keith Helliwell I think his name was, in a role of 'drug Zarr', he was supposed to deal with the drug problem in the uk, apart from being a virtually impossible task they still did'nt understand the problem, they we're trying to deal with a problem which was already here instead of trying to stop the damn stuff getting into the country in the first place, horse and stable door scenario. I just think we have to try and stop the disease starting in the first place rather than dealing with it when it emerges.
 
I think the vast majority of people in the UK are decent law abing folk - it's the few bad apples!
 
ronk said:
I think the vast majority of people in the UK are decent law abing folk - it's the few bad apples!
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Agreed.

I think regardless of the punishment or education, you still get sick twisted individuals and who slip through society until one day their fantasy becomes real and the crime is committed. Nothing can be done to prevent it.
 
Fully agree you'll never stop the pre-meditated sicko's no matter what you do, I do think you'd cut down some of the anti-social mindless attacks on people that can leave them with life changing injuries both physical and mental and sometimes death though.
 
Truly awful. Who knows what that poor girl went through before she died. Pray it was quick.
I just can't imagine what her family are going through, breaks your heart.

I think it's only a matter of time before we do see vigilante activity in this country. People are getting sick and tired of what's happening here (and in other countries) As you say, innocents will definitely be hurt but I can see it coming.
 
I'm sure you're correct, there will be a vigilante group but I'm equally sure they will make mistakes and then what?? A vigilante group to get the previous vigilante group?

If there had been a vigilante group in Bristol when the landlord fella was in the frame for his female tenants murder - they would have got it well wrong.

I don't know what the answer is :(
 
ronk said:
I'm sure you're correct, there will be a vigilante group but I'm equally sure they will make mistakes and then what?? A vigilante group to get the previous vigilante group?

If there had been a vigilante group in Bristol when the landlord fella was in the frame for his female tenants murder - they would have got it well wrong.

I don't know what the answer is :(
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This is why a vigilante group would get shut down, rightly or wrongly, and the reason we have the judicial system we have, it cannot be to the public to up-hold the law, there would be chaos. It's frustrating when lenient sentences are handed out though, I guess the system's got it's flaws like anything else. Let's hope the murderer never gets out, though it's debate able why the tax payer should put him/her up for life, if the guilty person is 100% guilty then nip it in the bud in a lekky chair perhaps?
 
There's no easy, one size fits all answer I'm afraid :(

It's sometimes very difficult to separate logic and emotion and sometimes even impossible to do so.
 
Exactly that Ronk. I like dav the wheel nut's post, more deterrent, but surely as my previous post if society was brought up with more moral guidance and respect from day 1 then this type of vandalism etc would be less in the first place.
 
mr wilks said:
Tragic & so very very sad
Unfortunately in the UK senseless murder seems to be happening far too often
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And over the last year or so, through assisting Police with their enquiries, I know there are a fair few more that don't even make the news...
 
All crime prevention is based on deterrent. No deterrent means there is no respect for the law.

The Singapore case means that the country is clean, I could not believe it when I went there but that deterrent of chewing gum etc works. Also, would you ever try to hijack an Israeli plane? You know you are not going to survive and you know you are not going to achieve anything so you would not do it.

The perpetrators know that they are not going to receive any punishment worthwhile so there is no deterrent. Even at schools there is often little respect for teachers due to the "protection" of the children so it becomes chaotic at times.

Raise the deterrent high enough and I believe you will see benefits. The same with that Jihadi lot, when they leave Europe to join the fight, make sure they know it is a one way street.
 
There are states in USA that have the death penalty - what are their violent crime/murder rates like in those states compared with the 99 years in jail States?
 
Schools are a good example. If my daughter bumps her head-we get a letter, she falls over-we get a letter, etc. Yesterday, she was punched in the stomach by an older, bigger boy. Did they tell us-no, was there a letter-no. When I approached the teacher about it this morning, she knew about it. When I asked what they had done about it-you guessed it-nothing.

There are so few teachers/police officers for every pupil/member of the public that they're overrun.If there is little deterrent as a child or once an adult, what do we expect. Over-population, under policed and very lenient punishments.
 
Thats because they would have to include it in their Stats if they acknowledged it. And they wouldn't want cases of Bullying on the school records or league tables.
 
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