OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion
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Jeez I've only just upgraded to OSX Leopard back in September so I could get my iPad up and running and they bring this out. I think I will be able to live without it. :wink:
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I've just upgraded one of my machines to 10.7.3 (didn't bother with 10.7 or 10.7.1) and the download was 10.7.2. Which meant I had time to evaluate any early adopter issues.
It's still not on my main computer as there's a few legacy apps which haven't/won't run on Lion, so I might not upgrade that machine until I've found replacements for the legacy apps or paid for side-grades to other apps.
My first impressions are that Lion isn't as 'snappy' as Snow Leopard - in that the windows take more time to pop open - and I'm not sure I like the new window style or scroll bars.
Mountain Lion will have to wait until 2013 for me - and I'll probably need a new Mac Pro to run it on. Hopefully by then Apple will have brought their graphics card offerings up to date as I'm getting fed up with paying 2x the PC price for an equivalent graphics card and then having to wait 2 years before they're refreshed.
It's still not on my main computer as there's a few legacy apps which haven't/won't run on Lion, so I might not upgrade that machine until I've found replacements for the legacy apps or paid for side-grades to other apps.
My first impressions are that Lion isn't as 'snappy' as Snow Leopard - in that the windows take more time to pop open - and I'm not sure I like the new window style or scroll bars.
Mountain Lion will have to wait until 2013 for me - and I'll probably need a new Mac Pro to run it on. Hopefully by then Apple will have brought their graphics card offerings up to date as I'm getting fed up with paying 2x the PC price for an equivalent graphics card and then having to wait 2 years before they're refreshed.
Unfortunately I'd already upgraded to a 256 gig SSD last year, so got the speed boost with Snow Leopard.WLH said:
There's probably some tweaking to do under the hood due to something being reset to the way Apple likes things, or it's just taking its time getting everything in order. If it doesn't get any snappier I might try a full install instead of the upgrade as there might be old extensions/kernels/frameworks that are causing issues.
It is the 'best' way, but it takes about a week to reinstall all my apps, fonts, plug-ins for Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop, etc. and then do all the incremental updates to the 3 versions of Office and Creative Suite I need to support.WLH said:
Archive & Install can help a little as you can transfer a lot of prefs & settings, but it still takes time.
Although it is quite useful in helping ou to prune our system of the useless junk you've collected since the last rebuild
And here I was being led to believe this stuff only happens with windows...mmm-five said:It is the 'best' way, but it takes about a week to reinstall all my apps, fonts, plug-ins for Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop, etc. and then do all the incremental updates to the 3 versions of Office and Creative Suite I need to support.WLH said:
Archive & Install can help a little as you can transfer a lot of prefs & settings, but it still takes time.
Although it is quite useful in helping ou to prune our system of the useless junk you've collected since the last rebuild
Apple definately going the MS route to oblivion and forgetting their roots...
mmm-five said:It is the 'best' way, but it takes about a week to reinstall all my apps, fonts, plug-ins for Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop, etc. and then do all the incremental updates to the 3 versions of Office and Creative Suite I need to support.WLH said:
Archive & Install can help a little as you can transfer a lot of prefs & settings, but it still takes time.
Although it is quite useful in helping ou to prune our system of the useless junk you've collected since the last rebuild
Really... why?
I have 8tb of data on my Mac pro with a 256gb SSD takes me all of an afternoon to install all my aps which takes about 100gbs and all my plug ins for ID AI PS DW FL, I also have over 3000 fonts which I use and you dont need to reinstall them just move them over.. otherwise it would take days just to install the fonts. The updates take all of an afternoon as well...
I have an 8tb raid aray as well that archives so doesn't take any time what so ever. You dont need to use Archive and install to transfer preferences, just move over manually what you need like your mail prefs and browser prefs, fonts etc. When you use the transfer option on the mac it places it in the same place on your drive it was on your old system therefore cluttering the disc and being slower. If you archive manually it writes to the disc in a linear fashion and takes a 1/4 the time the automated system takes. Theres loads of tutorials online to show you how to do this.
I do mine every 6-12 months because with the amount of data it starts to clutter quickly, reducing efficiency. So when you get used to it it doesn't take too long.
Lion was a lot faster for me when I started from scratch but obviously with the data I have it takes a while to organise, but when you know what your doing it doesn't take too long.
Might take me two days to do the 4 macs I have...
gannet said:And here I was being led to believe this stuff only happens with windows...mmm-five said:It is the 'best' way, but it takes about a week to reinstall all my apps, fonts, plug-ins for Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop, etc. and then do all the incremental updates to the 3 versions of Office and Creative Suite I need to support.WLH said:
Archive & Install can help a little as you can transfer a lot of prefs & settings, but it still takes time.
Although it is quite useful in helping ou to prune our system of the useless junk you've collected since the last rebuild
Apple definately going the MS route to oblivion and forgetting their roots...
I think it's more to do with them trying to get the iPhone, iPad and iMacs basically giving the same user experience accross all the platforms rather than just a system upgrade because somethings wrong.
I was simply pointing out that 'Archive & Install' can simplify the process, but that it's more time consuming.tomscott said:
I prefer to do the manual archive/install/transfer process - mainly to help remove some of the detritus - but sometimes I just don't have the time and just clone the start-up disc (for emergency use) and then try the 'upgrade' installation first. If that works I'll keep using it until I find out what's compatible and not, and once I'm happy I'll spend a bit more time and do a proper install. I've not had to 'downgrade' since OSX came out (did it once or twice with System 7/8/9 in the 90's though) - but that's probably due to me not upgrading as soon as the new OS is available and waiting for a couple of point releases to get some of the bugs out.
A week was an exaggeration, and it's probably no more than an day (8 hours), but it feels like it's taking too long sometimes when you think you've got everything installed and then find you can't find your install disc for Office 2004 or Quark 7 (that you need for 1 client), then the upgrades for Office require 3 lots of 'major' updates - and you have to do the previous service pack before it will let you install the next - these regularly take 10-15 minutes each - and there's about 12 in total!
Then some of the plug-ins for Creative Suite/Quark don't like that you've simply copied the preferences (as they've got invisible ones somewhere too) so you have to go through your plug-ins and check if they're working or not - although you could leave that until you actually need to use that plug-in.
Also got lots of fonts, and client-specific font packages that are managed through Suitcase - and other than the system fonts they're all on a 'Fonts' drive and switched on/off as needed. There must be 10s of thousands (with many duplicates, and similar font faces from different families) as I rarely delete any of those (unless they're corrupt) and simply put a new pack on when I get it. Doesn't affect the OS upgrade though, other than some font collections reporting more corrupt fonts than the previous OS due to better font structure checking - which can usually be fixed by a tweak in FontStudio.