Oofftt! - CSL Style Airbox! :)
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Good deal imo!
Andy said:
Have you had a map done after fitting yours?
Does this make a noticable difference to performance?
I find it difficult to swallow that you need a complete remap just to it a different air box. Sounds like good marketing though.
Maybe if you have other mods, or want to release it's full potential? Surely it's a want not a need?
I find it difficult to swallow that you need a complete remap just to it a different air box. Sounds like good marketing though.
Maybe if you have other mods, or want to release it's full potential? Surely it's a want not a need?
if you remove the MAF are you using a 2D map or do they fit a MAP sensor and keep 3D map, i would not be keen to go backwards to 2D as its not following what the engines doing just a close estimate of what it should be doing based on RPM and throttle position, or have they found a clever way around this?
this seems to agree with my comments, i dont doubt it gives more power but im sure you loose something along the way as its making estimates without the MAF feedback, it cant detect dense air or make allowance for altitude (probably not an issue here but lets say you descide to take a tour of the Alps, how will the engine know the air is thinner and require less fuel?)
from Beemerfest http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210512
For a while there has been more buzz about the term "Alpha N". I have seen various descriptions and interpretations of what most believe this is about. Without going into great depths about the technical aspects, I thought about writing a brief description of what it is and the impact it has on the E46 M3.
What is Alpha N?
Alpha N is the term used by the DME manufacturers to describe a mode of operation. Most German vechicles are designed with an Air Flow Sensor (aka MAF) to provide optimal driveability and clean emmissions control. Removing the MAF on most BMWs forces the DME to operate in Alpha N mode. Alpha N mode is not something that an aftermarket tuner has created. Alpha N mode is often regarded as a built-in safety mode for the engine should the MAF fail.
How does Alpha N work?
Most German vehicles DMEs use inputs from 1)Coolant temp sensor 2)Crank sensor 3) MAF and 4) O2 sensors to control the clean and efficient operation of the motor. Should the DME loose one or more of these 4 critical sensors, the car will likely run poorly. If the MAF (a very critical input) were to fail, the Siemens MSS54 DME for the S54 M3 drops into Alpha N mode and uses the throttle position sensor to calculate the Mass of the air entering the combustion chamber. This is also know as "Speed Density Mode" ie get-you-home mode and the Check Engine Light will usually light up. The car may run well for the time being, but the S54 was designed to be run with an MAF for emmission and driveability reasons.
So what is the big deal if I want to pull out my MAF and just let the car run in Alpha N?
There are some consequences such as a check engine light, not as accurate fuel trimming and MAF calculations and increased emissions. Fuel Trimming is a major function of the DMEs fuel management system. It represents the actual addition or subtraction from the actual fuel mixture being setup by the DME.
Removing accurate fuel trimming and allowing fuel trimming to be calculated off the throttle position sensor instead of the MAF can have side effects on driveability characteristics such as throttle response, smooth part throttle and tip-in onto acceleration. In order to achieve factory-like driveability, fuel trimming based off MAF data is essential - which is why BMW use a MAF. Adding forced induction does not make it a neccessity to remove the MAF - just look at all the thousands of non-S54 BMW supercharger kits currently in use that all keep their MAFs and the dozens (close to 50 sold in 3 months) of VF-S54 supercharger owners.
The code in the DME can be deleted so that the check engine light does not come on. The code in the DME can also be changed so that the DME does not use its fuel trimming features etc. However all of the forementioned requires altering emmissions and OBD2 programming characteristics of the DME and this is not taken too well by the authorities if you plan to drive your car on public roads. Additionally and possibly more importantly to the performance enthusiast, the functionality and intelligence of the DME is reduced and limited if sections of code are deleted from the DME.
If you are uncertain about Alpha-N ask your BMW service advisor if they could have a technician explain it to you briefly the next time you are the dealer. Or better still maybe there some BMW techs reading who can chime in
All in all, the aftermarket FI systems for BMWs are extremly challenging to create if one chooses to retain the original parameters of the car. Running the S54 in Alpha-N may work well in certain circumstances, but VF-Engineering S54 supercharger systems are tuned by GIAC to retain the use of the Bosch MAF sensor for optimal driveability and for the purpose of becoming emmissions legal.
from Beemerfest http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210512
For a while there has been more buzz about the term "Alpha N". I have seen various descriptions and interpretations of what most believe this is about. Without going into great depths about the technical aspects, I thought about writing a brief description of what it is and the impact it has on the E46 M3.
What is Alpha N?
Alpha N is the term used by the DME manufacturers to describe a mode of operation. Most German vechicles are designed with an Air Flow Sensor (aka MAF) to provide optimal driveability and clean emmissions control. Removing the MAF on most BMWs forces the DME to operate in Alpha N mode. Alpha N mode is not something that an aftermarket tuner has created. Alpha N mode is often regarded as a built-in safety mode for the engine should the MAF fail.
How does Alpha N work?
Most German vehicles DMEs use inputs from 1)Coolant temp sensor 2)Crank sensor 3) MAF and 4) O2 sensors to control the clean and efficient operation of the motor. Should the DME loose one or more of these 4 critical sensors, the car will likely run poorly. If the MAF (a very critical input) were to fail, the Siemens MSS54 DME for the S54 M3 drops into Alpha N mode and uses the throttle position sensor to calculate the Mass of the air entering the combustion chamber. This is also know as "Speed Density Mode" ie get-you-home mode and the Check Engine Light will usually light up. The car may run well for the time being, but the S54 was designed to be run with an MAF for emmission and driveability reasons.
So what is the big deal if I want to pull out my MAF and just let the car run in Alpha N?
There are some consequences such as a check engine light, not as accurate fuel trimming and MAF calculations and increased emissions. Fuel Trimming is a major function of the DMEs fuel management system. It represents the actual addition or subtraction from the actual fuel mixture being setup by the DME.
Removing accurate fuel trimming and allowing fuel trimming to be calculated off the throttle position sensor instead of the MAF can have side effects on driveability characteristics such as throttle response, smooth part throttle and tip-in onto acceleration. In order to achieve factory-like driveability, fuel trimming based off MAF data is essential - which is why BMW use a MAF. Adding forced induction does not make it a neccessity to remove the MAF - just look at all the thousands of non-S54 BMW supercharger kits currently in use that all keep their MAFs and the dozens (close to 50 sold in 3 months) of VF-S54 supercharger owners.
The code in the DME can be deleted so that the check engine light does not come on. The code in the DME can also be changed so that the DME does not use its fuel trimming features etc. However all of the forementioned requires altering emmissions and OBD2 programming characteristics of the DME and this is not taken too well by the authorities if you plan to drive your car on public roads. Additionally and possibly more importantly to the performance enthusiast, the functionality and intelligence of the DME is reduced and limited if sections of code are deleted from the DME.
If you are uncertain about Alpha-N ask your BMW service advisor if they could have a technician explain it to you briefly the next time you are the dealer. Or better still maybe there some BMW techs reading who can chime in
All in all, the aftermarket FI systems for BMWs are extremly challenging to create if one chooses to retain the original parameters of the car. Running the S54 in Alpha-N may work well in certain circumstances, but VF-Engineering S54 supercharger systems are tuned by GIAC to retain the use of the Bosch MAF sensor for optimal driveability and for the purpose of becoming emmissions legal.
alfamale said:this seems to agree with my comments, i dont doubt it gives more power but im sure you loose something along the way as its making estimates without the MAF feedback, it cant detect dense air or make allowance for altitude (probably not an issue here but lets say you descide to take a tour of the Alps, how will the engine know the air is thinner and require less fuel?)
from Beemerfest http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210512
For a while there has been more buzz about the term "Alpha N". I have seen various descriptions and interpretations of what most believe this is about. Without going into great depths about the technical aspects, I thought about writing a brief description of what it is and the impact it has on the E46 M3.
What is Alpha N?
Alpha N is the term used by the DME manufacturers to describe a mode of operation. Most German vechicles are designed with an Air Flow Sensor (aka MAF) to provide optimal driveability and clean emmissions control. Removing the MAF on most BMWs forces the DME to operate in Alpha N mode. Alpha N mode is not something that an aftermarket tuner has created. Alpha N mode is often regarded as a built-in safety mode for the engine should the MAF fail.
How does Alpha N work?
Most German vehicles DMEs use inputs from 1)Coolant temp sensor 2)Crank sensor 3) MAF and 4) O2 sensors to control the clean and efficient operation of the motor. Should the DME loose one or more of these 4 critical sensors, the car will likely run poorly. If the MAF (a very critical input) were to fail, the Siemens MSS54 DME for the S54 M3 drops into Alpha N mode and uses the throttle position sensor to calculate the Mass of the air entering the combustion chamber. This is also know as "Speed Density Mode" ie get-you-home mode and the Check Engine Light will usually light up. The car may run well for the time being, but the S54 was designed to be run with an MAF for emmission and driveability reasons.
So what is the big deal if I want to pull out my MAF and just let the car run in Alpha N?
There are some consequences such as a check engine light, not as accurate fuel trimming and MAF calculations and increased emissions. Fuel Trimming is a major function of the DMEs fuel management system. It represents the actual addition or subtraction from the actual fuel mixture being setup by the DME.
Removing accurate fuel trimming and allowing fuel trimming to be calculated off the throttle position sensor instead of the MAF can have side effects on driveability characteristics such as throttle response, smooth part throttle and tip-in onto acceleration. In order to achieve factory-like driveability, fuel trimming based off MAF data is essential - which is why BMW use a MAF. Adding forced induction does not make it a neccessity to remove the MAF - just look at all the thousands of non-S54 BMW supercharger kits currently in use that all keep their MAFs and the dozens (close to 50 sold in 3 months) of VF-S54 supercharger owners.
The code in the DME can be deleted so that the check engine light does not come on. The code in the DME can also be changed so that the DME does not use its fuel trimming features etc. However all of the forementioned requires altering emmissions and OBD2 programming characteristics of the DME and this is not taken too well by the authorities if you plan to drive your car on public roads. Additionally and possibly more importantly to the performance enthusiast, the functionality and intelligence of the DME is reduced and limited if sections of code are deleted from the DME.
If you are uncertain about Alpha-N ask your BMW service advisor if they could have a technician explain it to you briefly the next time you are the dealer. Or better still maybe there some BMW techs reading who can chime in
All in all, the aftermarket FI systems for BMWs are extremly challenging to create if one chooses to retain the original parameters of the car. Running the S54 in Alpha-N may work well in certain circumstances, but VF-Engineering S54 supercharger systems are tuned by GIAC to retain the use of the Bosch MAF sensor for optimal driveability and for the purpose of becoming emmissions legal.
YUp and isnt it funny that........VF enginering have blown more engines than ALL the other supercharger manufacturers put together!! lol!!! Go onto google and type in VF engineering blown engine......... Every US bmw forum will warn you explicitally to not use VF, their tunes are world renowned as severly dangerous for your expensive engine.
Ill simply say if its good enough for the CSL from BMW, then im happy with that, another point if using the MAF is so effective why didnt bmw use a Carbon airbox with the MAF inplace, it would have been alot cheaper and easier to do so???, remember their are specific alpha tunes. When your talking about the mode the car reverts into when you have maf failure is otherwise known as limp home mode, a proper alpha n tune will allow a car to run as well and better in some instances than the stock MAF'd car, what im taling about is a proper measured tune created through proper testing and development, and in those circumstances the car will run as good as ever.
not sure i agree, a 3D map will always outperform a 2D map given the same level of skilled tunning, not always in more BHP, its just that bit more information for the ECU to fine tune the inputs, I dont doubt the quallity of the aftermarket tunners out there for this car and it could be the extra you get is just not worth the £££ it takes to go 3D
ok ill ask the question again.......... IF their is any issue with alpha N why did bmw use it for the csl with fabulous results???, the csl is widely regaurded as bmws finest machine. Put it this way whether a cars tuned with the maf or without the maf, if its done correctly it simply wont matter!!!