On the look out for an E89 Z4

[Ole gits rule]

I say buy Jamesuks 35iS and have done with it

https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=143412&p=2071854#p2071854

Very good shout that Seamus!

Two grand more than an 'average' 30i for a 'top of the range' 35is which does seem to be very good.

The N54 engine (although not without it's potential issues) is a monster. DCT gearbox too. All very fancy stuff.

Thanks you sir - I do have the odd good thought but mostly bad

Yes seems like a decent car and a great price so worth a look

 

[Silverstar]

That is a nice private sale 30i come up on AutoTrader today. The seller wants £10,950 for a 60 plate.

CAP only value it at £7500-8000 for a private sale.

I like it, but that is too much of a premium. It will be interesting to see if it sells.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to CAP's values, many cars go way over what CAP reckon the price should be. Looking at all the other manual options on Autotrader it seems priced ok. I bought mine at auction (back in 2019) book value said 8k I knew it wouldn't go for that so I had in mind 10k ended up paying way more than that!

 

[Silverstar]

If the 30i is popular, which it seems to be, the prices will stay high.
Lots of people do come on the forum looking for a 30i, so presuming it is very popular. Could be because of all the scaremongering regarding the N20.

Could it be because it's a last of a kind NA 6 pot and not some humdrum turbo 4 and nothing to do with that engine's chain issues? It was for me.

 

[enuff_zed]

Buy an Audi. Sorted.

Suitably ignored

 

[Mr Tidy]

Stevo1987 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 9:37 pm
Buy an Audi. Sorted.
Suitably ignored

Exactly - what was that about? :?

 

[Beerman]

That is a nice private sale 30i come up on AutoTrader today. The seller wants £10,950 for a 60 plate.

CAP only value it at £7500-8000 for a private sale.

I like it, but that is too much of a premium. It will be interesting to see if it sells.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to CAP's values, many cars go way over what CAP reckon the price should be. Looking at all the other manual options on Autotrader it seems priced ok. I bought mine at auction (back in 2019) book value said 8k I knew it wouldn't go for that so I had in mind 10k ended up paying way more than that!

Why would you ignore CAP values? It's what the car industry is based on. Dealers will only offer you CAP value. It is what your insurance company would pay for a total loss and if you have trade the car quickly you'll only get around £6000.

During coronavirus there was a shortage of cars and values went crazy. It has calmed down now. Values of cars are coming down fast.

A couple of 30i have popped up in the last week at CAP money. They have been sold. For example I missed out of this one. It was very far away, but I did enquire.

 

[Stevo1987]

Buy an Audi. Sorted.

Suitably ignored

A dinnae blame yer... Z4 back on the road soon....

 

[Stevo1987]

Stevo1987 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 9:37 pm
Buy an Audi. Sorted.
Suitably ignored

Exactly - what was that about? :?

I dunno... I plead the 5th amendment.

 

[Pondy]

Stevo1987 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 9:37 pm
Buy an Audi. Sorted.
Suitably ignored

Exactly - what was that about? :?

I dunno... I plead the 5th amendment.

You're just bitter cos you can't sort your roof without sticking your hand in your (very deep) pockets.

Look on the bright side.....being off the road for around 3 years it will be worth loads more if you ever get that roof fixed.

 

[Silverstar]

That is a nice private sale 30i come up on AutoTrader today. The seller wants £10,950 for a 60 plate.

CAP only value it at £7500-8000 for a private sale.

I like it, but that is too much of a premium. It will be interesting to see if it sells.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to CAP's values, many cars go way over what CAP reckon the price should be. Looking at all the other manual options on Autotrader it seems priced ok. I bought mine at auction (back in 2019) book value said 8k I knew it wouldn't go for that so I had in mind 10k ended up paying way more than that!

Why would you ignore CAP values? It's what the car industry is based on. Dealers will only offer you CAP value. It is what your insurance company would pay for a total loss and if you have trade the car quickly you'll only get around £6000.

During coronavirus there was a shortage of cars and values went crazy. It has calmed down now. Values of cars are coming down fast.

A couple of 30i have popped up in the last week at CAP money. They have been sold. For example I missed out of this one. It was very far away, but I did enquire.

Well speaking from past experience in the car industry the trade often end up having to buy cars way over what the CAP values are. I just gave you the example of when I purchased mine at auction. It’s a different scenario when you need to get rid of car quickly and you are not buying another car of that dealer, you will only ever get rock bottom prices.

 

[Pondy]

Values of cars are coming down fast.

Most are, some aren't.

A previous steed of mine just sold for £9,000 more than I sold it for in 2022! :?

But then I do have a habit of buying the very best cars, then selling them extremely cheaply. I am like a reverse car dealer. No wonder I will never be rich. :roll:

 

[Stevo1987]

Exactly - what was that about? :?

I dunno... I plead the 5th amendment.

You're just bitter cos you can't sort your roof without sticking your hand in your (very deep) pockets.

Look on the bright side.....being off the road for around 3 years it will be worth loads more if you ever get that roof fixed.

Tbh, I just lost interest and don't need the money. It's close to being fixed now (by me) but I'm still lacking motivation to get it over the line. As for very deep pockets I've given shed loads to family and others recently. Bank of dad etc.... Anyway, apologies to OP...

 

[Zed Baron]

Well speaking from past experience in the car industry the trade often end up having to buy cars way over what the CAP values are. I just gave you the example of when I purchased mine at auction. It’s a different scenario when you need to get rid of car quickly and you are not buying another car of that dealer, you will only ever get rock bottom prices.

When I use to sell cars we only used CAP to educate customers on the value of their part exchange because it was always low... real values were always governed by Glass's guide, that gave a realistic indication of market values. You never saw anyone at the auctions carrying a CAP book.

 

[Silverstar]

Well speaking from past experience in the car industry the trade often end up having to buy cars way over what the CAP values are. I just gave you the example of when I purchased mine at auction. It’s a different scenario when you need to get rid of car quickly and you are not buying another car of that dealer, you will only ever get rock bottom prices.

When I use to sell cars we only used CAP to educate customers on the value of their part exchange because it was always low... real values were always governed by Glass's guide, that gave a realistic indication of market values. You never saw anyone at the auctions carrying a CAP book.

Correct, Glass’s guide is what I used to use as did 90% of all other traders I knew.

 

[Pondy]

Correct, Glass’s guide is what I used to use as did 90% of all other traders I knew.

They seem to use Autotrader software these days!
And BCA data. :?

 

[Zed Baron]

They seem to use Autotrader software these days!
And BCA data. :?

When I sold cars we still had a fax machine!

 

[Silverstar]

They seem to use Autotrader software these days!
And BCA data. :?

When I sold cars we still had a fax machine!

 

[Z450]

Cap prices are purely a guide. As said many of these cars sell beyond the Cap figures and at an auction there would normally be auction fees to pay on top!

 

[matsmith749]

Yep - auction price / CAP is the absolute bottom value & assumes you accept a boatload of risk.

As said elsewhere, most I know are using autotrader values nowadays.

 

[Beerman]

Yep - auction price / CAP is the absolute bottom value & assumes you accept a boatload of risk.

As said elsewhere, most I know are using autotrader values nowadays.

CAP is not just auction prices.

HPI/CAP clarify trade in, private sale, and dealer forecourt valuations. They class them by condition as well. Buying from a dealer the car should be free from faults with warranty.

I don't understand why many people are reluctant to use them for valuations when most people in the car trade will not deviate far from their valuations.


Autotrader's valuations are over the place. A rare model can have Autotrader's estimations skewed too easily when a few people advertise at hopeful prices.

Look at the E89 Z4 up for sale. Autotrader's estimations are all over the place. There are basic spec cars that AutoTrader thinks are priced below market value. They are not desirable at all unless I'm missing something?

With the 30i there are a few advertised in the £14-15000 price bracket and AutoTrader thinks they are good or great prices. Some have been on sale for a long time.

This car here has been on sale for a couple of months even though Autotrader thinks it's priced £3111 below their estimated value.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404259046139


The blue private sale car at £10,950 AutoTrader recommend advertising for £9500.