Oil...

TheRuss said:
Is that because it's the Alpina? Is the engine different then?

Yes, and Yes. It's a 3.4ltr based on an M3 block with a pile of bits from the BMW parts bin plus some Alpina magic. I'm sure Ade or Mark will come along with all the gory details soon :)

Lifted from the Alpina Register page on the car...

The engine is essentially a rebored block from the E36 M3 3.0L with its pistons and head designed and manufactured to ALPINA’s specifications. Rev the engine and it’ll push the needle all the way round to 7300 rpm and with it give out an exhaust wail that’s decidedly similar to that of a Porsche albeit with a deeper undertone of the straight-six.
 
I use Asda 5-30 fully synthetic....API SM/CF ACEA C3 low saps/low ash and is suitable for extended drain applications .( BMW , Audi Merc etc)

and costs £20 for 5 litres Of course it doesnt come in a container that looks flash .....or cost the price of liquified diamonds .... BUT it does what it says on the container, and thats all I ask :thumbsup:
 
Then of course theres the other arguement........theres differant types of synthetic oil.......ester based and non ester based and if your going to use any 0-30 or 0-anything it needs to be an ester based synthetic to ensure protection on initial cold starting :fuelfire:
 
stargazer said:
BMW's own recommendations ...
http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/owner/syntheticengineoils.aspx


I use M1 0w40 ... although as I mention in another thread, under (very) hard cornering, I'm beginning to get some lifter clicking... not sure if this is oil foaming/starvation or what. So wondering, if I should be using something heavier or (some have recommended elsewhere on the web) running an extra half/full quart during racing... or if there's really no resolution for the problem (more of a nuisance really, as it goes away shortly after it starts).

Hmm, thanks for that link. Sounds good. So, just to clarify, which would be thinner at high temps, a 0W30 or a 0W40? I'd thought that the 0W40 would thin out less than the 0W30, and so would be better at higher temps?

Anyway, I've been using Mobil 1 0W40 in my current car for the last few years, so if BMW also recommend it, then I'll probably stick to it. Sure, 5W30 would be fine, but if the 0W40 starts out thinner and can start protecting slightly quicker than the 5W30, then that's a good benefit in my eyes, being that most wear occurs from cold start-up.
 
slick said:

furstration? the logic being used? bad day in the office? :?
its great to see pretty much the same arguments/comments/puzzlement being used over here as on other forums.
 
Hmm, would be nice if there was a clear and concise guide somewhere. There are guides, but none that I've found are particularly clear or concise, and usually seem to require a chemistry degree to understand.

All I want is the best care/protection for my engine. :)
 
domsz4 said:
slick said:

furstration? the logic being used? bad day in the office? :?
its great to see pretty much the same arguments/comments/puzzlement being used over here as on other forums.



A pointless thread in my opinion - use what oil BMW state for your engine...


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Yikes, sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone. If it's a pointless thread, then why keep posting in it?

I'll go ask elsewhere then if folks are going to get offended.

And I was asking which oil would offer best protection, not what BMW tell you to use. The two aren't necessarily the same.

If I asked BMW what tyres I should use they'd say runflats, but many folks on here would disagree that they're the best solution for the Z4...
 
TheRuss said:
Yikes, sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone. If it's a pointless thread, then why keep posting in it?

I'll go ask elsewhere then if folks are going to get offended.

And I was asking which oil would offer best protection, not what BMW tell you to use. The two aren't necessarily the same.

If I asked BMW what tyres I should use they'd say runflats, but many folks on here would disagree that they're the best solution for the Z4...

You raised a few sound points Russ .... about what BMW recommmend may not be the best ..... but may I point out my frustration was that link ..... its from BMW USA ....your car doesnt operate under the same conditions as theirs sir..... so your oil requirements wouldnt be the same .... ie your car doesnt have to suffer -40 f during winter or ( sadly) +100f during summer

I hope I didnt offend you , if I did it was unintentional and you have my appology
 
TheRuss said:
Yikes, sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone. If it's a pointless thread, then why keep posting in it?

I'll go ask elsewhere then if folks are going to get offended.

And I was asking which oil would offer best protection, not what BMW tell you to use. The two aren't necessarily the same.

If I asked BMW what tyres I should use they'd say runflats, but many folks on here would disagree that they're the best solution for the Z4...


No ones offended or even mentioned the word

There are countless threads on this subject, so it would have been better to add to those threads instead of going over ground?

Might also be a good idea you post what engine you have...?
 
I'm surprised Oilman isn't on this forum - Guy, one of the blokes that runs it, knows oils like the back of his hand and has had a lot of input into BMW forums in the past.
 
Sorry, the engine is a 3.0, car is a 2007 model coupe, and I've not bought it yet. The car has only had one service since new at around 17,500 miles, and has just under 26,000 miles on it now. Not ideal, so assuming the car is OK to buy, I'd be looking to ditch the oil immediately and put in all fresh stuff. This is why I'm trying to get the info now, so I can ensure I put whatever is best for the engine into it when I get it.

Slick, I'm not offended mate, and I appreciate that the guide given was for the USA, but as you say, their conditions vary between very high temps and very low ones, so surely using an oil like the 0W40 (which should cover both eventualities as far as I'm aware) should keep a UK car well covered still? Sure, it won't "need" an oil with a winter rating as low as "0W" for our winters, but from what I understand, an oil with a 0W rating is thinner at cold temps than a 5W rated one, so while we might not get massively sub zero temps in the UK, one would think that it'd still offer more protection than a 5W oil at, say 0 degrees (centigrade), which is a temperature that we do see quite often in winter. Sure, a 5W might not take much longer to warm up and might offer almost as much protection for the engine at 0 degrees, but if the 0W oil is better in this regard when the engine is at its weakest point (most wear) then surely that's a good thing?

Or am I completely misunderstanding the ratings of these oils and a 5W30 will act no different in a Z4 3.0 engine than a 0W40 at UK temps? Or somehow be detrimental?

As I say, I profess to know nothing about oil, other than what I've read online, and what supposed "people in the know" have told me. Therefore, if anybody knows any better than me, please feel free to correct me, as I'd love to learn the differences in these oil ratings and how it'll affect my car. :)
 
Steve220 said:
I'm surprised Oilman isn't on this forum - Guy, one of the blokes that runs it, knows oils like the back of his hand and has had a lot of input into BMW forums in the past.

Do you have any ideas how to contact him? I tried registering on the "Bob is the oil guy" forums to ask these questions, but am still waiting for my membership to be confirmed to allow me to post.

From reading on their forums though, it seems there is no straight answer to "what is the best oil for me". It seems many things need to be taken into consideration.
 
Yes Russ....... a "0" rated @ cold oil will get picked up by the oil pump quicker
BUTTTTT.... When your engines hot after a run ...... then cools down your oil then runs out of the side of the crank and cam bearings quicker too........
People that sell expensive ester based synthetics will tell you the ester base will still protect your engine
 
slick said:
Yes Russ....... a "0" rated @ cold oil will get picked up by the oil pump quicker
BUTTTTT.... When your engines hot after a run ...... then cools down your oil then runs out of the side of the crank and cam bearings quicker too........
People that sell expensive ester based synthetics will tell you the ester base will still protect your engine

Thanks Slick. Sorry for sounding dense, but what's wrong with the oil running back out of the engine quicker? After use the oil isn't needed, so is it a problem if it runs back out more quickly?
 
TheRuss said:
slick said:
Yes Russ....... a "0" rated @ cold oil will get picked up by the oil pump quicker
BUTTTTT.... When your engines hot after a run ...... then cools down your oil then runs out of the side of the crank and cam bearings quicker too........
People that sell expensive ester based synthetics will tell you the ester base will still protect your engine

Thanks Slick. Sorry for sounding dense, but what's wrong with the oil running back out of the engine quicker? After use the oil isn't needed, so is it a problem if it runs back out more quickly?
In an ideal world , you want as much oil as possable to be retained in/on the bearing surfaces so on start up the protection is already in place for the split second or so it takes for the oil pump to fill the oil galleries, bearings etc .... ( the differance between 0 and 5 is probably unmeasurable to be fair timewise
 
So, based on that, you'd recommend a 5W oil over a 0W oil for use in the UK on a year-round basis?

Also, how about the higher end of the spectrum? The 30 vs 40 part? I assume the 40 would remain thicker at high temps than the 30? Would that offer better protection, or worse? And would the heavier "40" oil reduce power and/or fuel economy?

(I notice that some manufacturers are starting to spec thinner oils in an attempt to increase economy.)
 
TheRuss said:
So, based on that, you'd recommend a 5W oil over a 0W oil for use in the UK on a year-round basis?

Also, how about the higher end of the spectrum? The 30 vs 40 part? I assume the 40 would remain thicker at high temps than the 30? Would that offer better protection, or worse? And would the heavier "40" oil reduce power and/or fuel economy?

(I notice that some manufacturers are starting to spec thinner oils in an attempt to increase economy.)
I think you answered your own question sir .....The way I look at it is this ...... if its good enough for the engine designer .....its good enough for me
 
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