Oil / Castrol Q

Spud

Active member
 Doncaster
Hi folks,

I've been using the Castrol Edge stuff in my car since I bought it (the gold bottle stuff), but could do with some more and it's about to be a bank holiday. Is normal Castrol Magnatec (still 5W-30) fine to use in the Z?

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_253905_langId_-1_categoryId_165581

Link there. I would go and buy the Edge stuff, but it says that Halfords don't stock it in stores, online only.
 
Correct me if i am wrong but Magnatec is a semi synthetic, BMW recommends using a full synthetic in the majority of their cars. A full synthetic flows better i think but i may be wrong, i would stick with a full synthetic if i were you. Pop in to the store and check, they do stock it in store.
 
BobZ4 said:
Correct me if i am wrong but Magnatec is a semi synthetic, BMW recommends using a full synthetic in the majority of their cars. A full synthetic flows better i think but i may be wrong, i would stick with a full synthetic if i were you. Pop in to the store and check, they do stock it in store.
the label of that bottle says - Fully Synthetic though...

As long as it conforms to BMW LongLife-01 or 04 it should be fine (dont think the magnatec does)...
 
Amazing what you can find on the Internet......

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/extendedsectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9014096&contentId=7030435&nicam=Castrol%20Magnatec&nisrc=google&nigrp=castrol&nipkw=castrol%20oil&niadv=Text%20Ad
 
AlanJ said:
Amazing what you can find on the Internet......

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/extendedsectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9014096&contentId=7030435&nicam=Castrol%20Magnatec&nisrc=google&nigrp=castrol&nipkw=castrol%20oil&niadv=Text%20Ad
so then it does not comply with LongLife-01 or 04...

need EDGE for that :thumbsup:
 
AlanJ said:
Amazing what you can find on the Internet......

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/extendedsectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9014096&contentId=7030435&nicam=Castrol%20Magnatec&nisrc=google&nigrp=castrol&nipkw=castrol%20oil&niadv=Text%20Ad
To paraphrase the website...

5w30 A1 is fully synthetic as is 5w30 A3/B4. 10w40 and 15w40 are semi-synthetic.

The one that matches the BMW LL01 spec is 5w30 A3/B4 which I can't find on OpieOils website.

I can't tell the difference between the A1 and A3/B4 specs as the only technical document I seem to be able to download is the one for the A1 variant - even if the link says it's for the A3/B4 oil.

Don't forget that not all 'synthetic' oil are 'fully synthetic' oils. A good many are simple mineral oils that have been 'cracked' and thus are able to be marketed as 'synthetic' - even though they're actually 'analytes'. A proper synthetic will come from simpler molecules that are built up into a fully synthetic base.

Opie Oilman said:
Hydrocracked or Synthetic?
This is all to do with the meanings of words. Yes, hydrocracking is a technical process carried out on an already refined mineral oil fraction, analogous to the thermal and catalytic cracking of light mineral hydrocarbons to produce petrol. By the time processes get to this advanced stage, I agree that it’s a long way from crude oil. But, these processes involve the breaking down of large molecules into simpler ones, so to an old-fashioned chemist the products are analytes. (From ‘analysis’, meaning ‘to separate into constituent parts.’ On the other hand, if complex molecules are built up from simpler ones (where they come from is irrelevant) the products are synthetics. (From ‘synthesis’, an ancient Greek word meaning ‘the building up of a complex whole by the union of elements’. Which is more or less the true modern meaning, except back in 400BCE they didn’t mean ‘elements’ in the chemical sense!)

By using the word ‘synthetic’ in a casual way to mean the product of any complex process, the term becomes sloppy and inexact. (For example, ordinary petrol becomes ‘synthetic’.) Of course, we all know why this has happened. ‘Synthetic’ is a sexy word, and the temptation to describe cheapo engine oil that contains a few drops of hydrocracked base as ‘synthetic’ is irresistible!

Looked at practically, you get what you pay for. PAOs, synthesised from alpha olefin monomers, have a much lower pour point, lower volatility and higher viscosity index than hydrocracked mineral oils of equivalent viscosity, but they cost four times as much. It reminds me of the ‘GT car’ bullshit back in the 70s. Ten years earlier, the likes of Ferrari and Maserati made terrific ‘Grand Touring’ cars, then the marketing departments latched onto it, and before long ‘GT’ meant a poser’s tin box covered in badges and flash wheel trims!

John Rowland said:
You get what you pay for
Costs of synthetics vary considerably. The most expensive are the “Ester” types originally only used in jet engines. These cost 6 to 10 times more than high quality mineral oils. The cheapest synthetics are not really synthetic at all, from a chemists point of view. These are in fact specially refined light viscosity mineral oils known as “hydrocracked”. These have some advantages over equivalent mineral oils, particularly in lower viscosity motor oils such as 5w-30 or other oils with a low “W” rating such as 5w-50 etc and they cost about 1.5 times more than good quality mineral fractions.

We use several different grades of this base oil, where appropriate. This is the “synthetic” which is always used in cheap oils that are labelled “synthetic”.

Yes it’s a cruel world, you get what you pay for!

Now, you may ask, why are these special mineral oils called “synthetic”?

Well, it was all sorted in a legal battle that took place in the USA about ten years ago. Sound reasons (including evidence from a Nobel Prize winning chemist) were disregarded and the final ruling was that certain mineral bases that had undergone extra chemical treatments could be called “synthetic”.

Needless to say, the marketing executives wet their knickers with pure delight!
They realised that this meant, and still does, that the critical buzz-word “synthetic” could be printed on a can of cheap oil provided that the contents included a few percent of “hydrocracked” mineral oil, at a cost of quite literally a few pence.

So, the chemistry of “synthetics” is complex and so is the politics!

The economics are very simple. If you like the look of a smart well-marketed can with “synthetic” printed on it, fair enough, it will not cost you a lot; and now you know why this is the case.

But, if you drive a high performance car, and you intend to keep it for several years, and maybe do the odd “track day”, then you need a genuine Ester/PAO (Poly Alpha Olefin) synthetic oil.

This oil costs more money to buy, because it costs us a lot of money to make, very simply, you always get what you pay for!
 
In my local Tesco Extra they do the Castrol edge 5W-30 so might be worth checking them out if there is one near you,only downside it is priced at £16 a Litre :thumbsdown:
 
Any oil is better than no oil if you're desperate!

If your car is going to have a service within 1 year and 10k, i'd personally say you don't need to go for the LongLife oil, just make sure the grade is the same.
 
Went to Halford's and they had the Edge stuff, despite saying otherwise on the website (thanks Bob). 44.99 for 4 litres (£3 more than opieoils) though you get a 1L Edge top-up bottle free at the minute. Spent the few quid I saved on some Autosol to brighten up my exhaust tips, though! :lol:
 
I use BMW synthetic motor oil bought from my dealer...and it's actually cheaper cost than the other brands!? Why would I want to go with anything else than the OEM supplied oil? No reason IMO
 
When I took my old 3.0i Roadster to Sytner Nottingham for a service it always had a 1 litre Mobil 1 top-up kit put in the boot so I always used Mobil 1. Did 86k miles without a murmur so I reckon you'd be fine with that.
 
I've also got 5 litres (5 x 1l) of this stuff in the garage: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-991-fuchs-titan-xtr-5w-30-high-performance-fuel-economy-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

From when I had the RX-8 last year.

Couple of questions:

- is it safe for small top ups?
- is it safe for anything more?
- does anyone want to buy it cheap? :thumbsup:
 
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