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Yesterday I collected a set of wheels purchased off this forum, when I collected them the seller mentioned he had several messages from other forum members suggesting he should ask a higher price and even suggesting he could get far more if advertised on other sites, all this advice without seeing the wheels.
So the price went up, surprise surprise!
Now the wheels are OK, I've fitted them and they do, as suggested, suit the car, but the tyres are not quite as good as the advert suggested, sure they all have tread but not that much better than the ones on the wheels that came with the car, which was th main reason for purchasing the things in the first place.
Now I'm happy enough with the wheels, but I would have been happier if the price hadn't been inflated

As for my personal circumstances, you know nothing about me, I spend a fair chunk of my salary entertaining my elderly mother who has Alzheimers, taking her out for drives to stop her going stir crazy sitting in the house day after day, I took her with me yesterday, I ask for no sympathy, it's my duty, but I run my car on a budget, I can afford to keep the car serviced etc but my pockets aren't bottomless, this of course wasn't a consideration for some, they new best.

So in future, if someone wishes to advise the seller on the price of his/her parts I suggest you go take a look, and consider others before sticking your nose it.
 
Well said, too often people with no intention to buy or money to buy start turning sellers head about pricing being low.

My take is if someone is selling something for a bargain it’s nobody else’s business. I’ve had prices inflated on me multiple times due to keyboard warriors who suggest seller should jack up the price.
 
If you agreed to the price that's the price you agreed surely? if they weren't as good as suggested then you rework what you're paying. It is annoying but it's up to you as a buyer to make your own choice?
 
It’s not too late to delete this post…

Reason I say this:

Everyone is entitled to price things how they please. Supply and demand dictate what an item is worth based upon what people are prepared to pay, based on demand and scarcity. There’s two sides to every coin: those who love a bargain and those who don’t want to see others short changed.

You had an opportunity to step away when you went to collect the wheels. If they weren’t as described (which is what I’m getting from your message) then you would have been within your rights to reject them. This is irrespective of whether you paid prior to seeing them.

Wheels are often best seen in person before buying. I’ve had numerous occasions where I’ve turned up and found wheels not to be in the condition advertised. If that were the case, I’d either negotiate the price down or walk away. If I’m not happy, I’m not going to follow through. It’s on me to decide.

I get that you’re disappointed and annoyed that you’ve over paid (again, that’s the interpretation) but you could have walked away (given you said you collected them).

Perhaps it’s a lesson to commit based on condition and reject based on reality if the two don’t align.
 
Matt.rowley.1990 said:
It’s not too late to delete this post…

Reason I say this:

Everyone is entitled to price things how they please. Supply and demand dictate what an item is worth based upon what people are prepared to pay, based on demand and scarcity. There’s two sides to every coin: those who love a bargain and those who don’t want to see others short changed.

You had an opportunity to step away when you went to collect the wheels. If they weren’t as described (which is what I’m getting from your message) then you would have been within your rights to reject them. This is irrespective of whether you paid prior to seeing them.

Wheels are often best seen in person before buying. I’ve had numerous occasions where I’ve turned up and found wheels not to be in the condition advertised. If that were the case, I’d either negotiate the price down or walk away. If I’m not happy, I’m not going to follow through. It’s on me to decide.

I get that you’re disappointed and annoyed that you’ve over paid (again, that’s the interpretation) but you could have walked away (given you said you collected them).

Perhaps it’s a lesson to commit based on condition and reject based on reality if the two don’t align.
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It wasn't the price, I would probably struggled to get a set cheaper, it's others sticking their noses in with no idea of the acctual condition of the item being advertised.
Would I have liked to pay the original price, sure, but I won't loose no sleep over it.
 
4play said:
It wasn't the price, I would probably struggled to get a set cheaper, it's others sticking their noses in with no idea of the acctual condition of the item being advertised.
Would I have liked to pay the original price, sure, but I won't loose no sleep over it.
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So go back to sleep then.
As I've already said, this is not facebook, and the forum clientele tend to have IQs way above that of the typical fb user.
You are preaching to the converted when you could be catching up on your kip. :rofl:
 
https://z4-forum.com/threads/201-style-z4-alloy-wheels-x-4-with-good-tyres-for-sale-200.157232/ ?

So I’m the “guilty” party on this. I’m sorry to interfere and cost you much needed funds.
Reason I commented is that they were really very cheap. So I said ..”too cheap”. But you should have just refused to pay more if already agreed on £200 and knocked him down or offered less if tyres weren’t as described or poor. Otherwise walk away. Surely it’s not my fault what you paid and that you’re unhappy.
£200 is/or was a really great price for a set of clean bmw wheels and tyres.
You could have reached out to me directly for advice pre sale or during. I’d have been happy to help and explain my rationale and comments. The deal you did was 100% down to you though.
I have these wheels you see. I was thinking of selling them, they were in very good condition but had some very slight corrosion, so I spent £320 on a full refurb. I also spent £250 on two new MPS4 tyres.
So could you have my set of mint 201s with 4x very good or nearly new PS4s for anywhere near £200? No.
Could I get anywhere near the near £800 they probably owe me? No.
I would probably want at least £500. Receipts for all 4 tyres and the full refurb included. But that may or may not be a realistic price.
Maybe I shouldn’t have done the refurb, they were pretty clean anyway.
I’d be interested to know what you paid since you brought all this up.
I hope you still got a great deal though.
Send them back and you can have mine for £500 firm?
Edit, and sorry about your mums health.
 
I think this is dependent on the seller if they increase the price, but then it's still on you to take it or not, so this post wasn't really necessary. I guess it's best to share on personal
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I think it’s a good debate and some fair comments. I must try to not comment on sales in future, it’s not my first offence but I mean well. 😬
 
Im really intrigued now... on the for sale thread they were £200, how much more did you end up paying for them? And sounds like the price was not agreed before hand?

If you agreed a price before viewing and then that price went up when you got there, thats bad selling practice - id be annoyed at the seller, not the forum - thats just crowd sourced advice. But ultimately neither the seller or buyer is obliged to do anything... you could drive 200 miles to view something, only for the seller to change their mind and not sell. That would be a dick move, but no contract has been signed, and with these types of sales nearly all the risk sits with the buyer.
 
brillomaster said:
Im really intrigued now... on the for sale thread they were £200, how much more did you end up paying for them? And sounds like the price was not agreed before hand?

If you agreed a price before viewing and then that price went up when you got there, thats bad selling practice - id be annoyed at the seller, not the forum - thats just crowd sourced advice. But ultimately neither the seller or buyer is obliged to do anything... you could drive 200 miles to view something, only for the seller to change their mind and not sell. That would be a dick move, but no contract has been signed, and with these types of sales nearly all the risk sits with the buyer.
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We agreed the price before I went and thats what I paid.
This thread is not about the cost, it's about people influencing the price when it was none of their bussiness.
I didn't pay too much, I don't believe, but what I did pay was more than the original asking price, that didn't and shouldn't have happened.
 
I think people who have no interest in buying the items in the for sales section shouldn't bother posting at all unless you are going to make an offer/buy the item/ask about item condition etc like some other forums I am on.
 
I partly agree with the OP in that there’s not much point in the forum rule of ‘all ad’s must state a price’ if the seller can adjust the price upwards depending on demand etc?
At least an edit to change the for sale post of a new price before an offer to buy is made would be reasonable in my book.
It’s a ‘good etiquette’ thing I suppose
 
v10m said:
I think people who have no interest in buying the items in the for sales section shouldn't bother posting at all unless you are going to make an offer/buy the item/ask about item condition etc like some other forums I am on.
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When I ran my Eunos, you could post ebay items on the forum and others would stay away from it so you didn't end up bidding against each other
 
AndyBeech said:
I partly agree with the OP in that there’s not much point in the forum rule of ‘all ad’s must state a price’ if the seller can adjust the price upwards depending on demand etc?
At least an edit to change the for sale post of a new price before an offer to buy is made would be reasonable in my book.
It’s a ‘good etiquette’ thing I suppose
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I thought forum rules stated that was against the rules within the for sale threads to flex prices upward?
 
4play said:
We agreed the price before I went and thats what I paid.
This thread is not about the cost, it's about people influencing the price when it was none of their bussiness.
I didn't pay too much, I don't believe, but what I did pay was more than the original asking price, that didn't and shouldn't have happened.
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So you are complaining about people commenting on some wheels that they haven't seen (which cost you extra money that you chose to pay) but you agreed a price with the seller before you saw them?
You seem to be a hypocrite. :rolleyes:

In the eight days you have been a member here; you have decided to be a 'scammer hunter' to help everyone and now you are giving long-standing forum members 'advice' on what they should and shouldn't post.

You ain't gonna make many friends here at this rate. As has been said THIS IS NOT FACEBOOK. Everybody is a grown up (well most) and know how to behave in a manner they see fit.
 
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v10m said:
I think people who have no interest in buying the items in the for sales section shouldn't bother posting at all unless you are going to make an offer/buy the item/ask about item condition etc like some other forums I am on.
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If you look at the thread in question, nearly all of the comments were helping the OP to identify the wheel style and offsets as he didn't know. This helped potential buyers and the seller IMO.

In my opinion there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with any of the comments on that thread. @RMB mentioned they were cheap. So what? They were.
Now the buyer is complaining about him 'sticking his oar in'. Absolute rubbish.
 
bigwinn said:
I thought forum rules stated that was against the rules within the for sale threads to flex prices upward?
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I would imagine so and I would agree it’s not a good thing to do, is that not what the seller has done behind closed doors by the sounds of it? Not sure the admins would be too happy if they were aware.
Tbh, the price you ask on the post should be the price you want for them, not a gauge the feeling of how much you can sell for. If they’re priced too low that’s on the seller not doing their research etc.
Don’t see anything wrong with making comments about being a bargain though, help make a sale quicker if anything.
 
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