Number plate fine

srhutch said:
PerryGunn said:
srhutch said:
Spot the error?
That's too easy - the photos are upside down... try a harder one next time Steve... :P

You pissed again Perry?

Right way up to me.
Not on my PC, laptop or Android phone - are you using an iDevice? Something is ignoring/misinterpreting the EXIF tags in the upload
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Surely there is another point here. if the plates are illegal (not the correct letter/number spacing) then the car would not have passed an MOT, hence the vehicle would not be covered by the The Insurance Company, because the vehicle has to be roadworthy - M.O.T'd to meet current Insurance conditions.

If you study the small print on your insurance booklet, it also reads that the vehicle has to have had regular maintenance/servicing.
 
griffnut said:
Surely there is another point here. if the plates are illegal (not the correct letter/number spacing) then the car would not have passed an MOT...
Technically true but, given the number of cars I see on a daily basis with mis-spaced/illegal plates (and I can't believe that all the owners change the plates every time they go for their MOT), a lot of MOT stations must just ignore the minutiae of the number plate regs
 
The problem is when will the insurance companies STOP paying out, after those cars fitted with illegal number plates are involved in accidents of any persons fault.
After all it is a non standard car, as such the number plate should be classified as a MODIFICATION.

I remember many years ago, a nurse was involved in an accident and because her Fiesta had extra spotlights fitted - the insurance company refused to pay out on her accidental claim.
 
My wife and I both have private plates which we’ve had for years. If you decide to ignore the DVLA regulations you run the risk of being fined. If you are you’ve absolutely nothing to complain about.
 
griffnut said:
The problem is when will the insurance companies STOP paying out, after those cars fitted with illegal number plates are involved in accidents of any persons fault.
After all it is a non standard car, as such the number plate should be classified as a MODIFICATION.

I remember many years ago, a nurse was involved in an accident and because her Fiesta had extra spotlights fitted - the insurance company refused to pay out on her accidental claim.

They can't do that nowadays, they must pay the third party's claim at least but they could pursue the policy holder for the money. :cry:
I think that the fact that a car doesn't have an MOT doesn't mean it's unroadworthy and the insurance would not be voided. For instance non standard plates are an MOT fail but wouldn't render a car unroadworthy.
 
Nictrix said:
Did you swap these plates every year for the MOTs?
yes, I did, the tester knew i was swapping over again after the test, but he had to see the legal ones on the vehicle at time of test. ‘
 
mad4slalom said:
Nictrix said:
Did you swap these plates every year for the MOTs?
yes, I did, the tester knew i was swapping over again after the test, but he had to see the legal ones on the vehicle at time of test. ‘
I thought you probably did.
So its not even like you could argue it by saying that they passed an MOT.
 
Bottom said:
griffnut said:
The problem is when will the insurance companies STOP paying out, after those cars fitted with illegal number plates are involved in accidents of any persons fault.
After all it is a non standard car, as such the number plate should be classified as a MODIFICATION.

I remember many years ago, a nurse was involved in an accident and because her Fiesta had extra spotlights fitted - the insurance company refused to pay out on her accidental claim.

They can't do that nowadays, they must pay the third party's claim at least but they could pursue the policy holder for the money. :cry:
I think that the fact that a car doesn't have an MOT doesn't mean it's unroadworthy and the insurance would not be voided. For instance non standard plates are an MOT fail but wouldn't render a car unroadworthy.


Personally, I would not take that risk. Modern cars require an MOT - that is a definition of roadworthy however you look at it - try telling a Policeman or DVLA that.
 
griffnut said:
Personally, I would not take that risk. Modern cars require an MOT - that is a definition of roadworthy however you look at it - try telling a Policeman or DVLA that.

Neither would I, TBH I can think of many more fun things to do with 100 quid than hand it over for the dubious pleasure of messing about with a reg. number. Who am I to stand in the way of somebody wanting to pay an extra 100 quid tax though :P
However the legal definition of roadworthy-ness is not the same as the MoT regs. A miss spaced number plate won't make a car legally un-roadworthy.
 
That's a surprise to me, surely if the car cannot pass an MOT, then it cannot be legally on the road - not compliant with insurance requirements.
 
griffnut said:
That's a surprise to me, surely if the car cannot pass an MOT, then it cannot be legally on the road - not compliant with insurance requirements.
The MOT only says that the car was roadworthy on the day of the test, a week later it will have a valid MOT but could be in a state where it wouldn't pass another MOT test...

e.g. with current MOT requirements, it could have a faulty passenger airbag and a warning light on or a large crack in the windscreen. If involved in an accident, the insurance company could only refuse a payout if they could show that the known fault contributed to the accident.
 
griffnut said:
That's a surprise to me, surely if the car cannot pass an MOT, then it cannot be legally on the road - not compliant with insurance requirements.

I wouldn't worry about insurers - they're mostly staffed by call centre monkeys, frequently in distant shores!

My nephew had an accident in his E46 BMW last year and they (high ranking Naval officer springs to mind) decided his car was a Cat S based on the photos he sent them from his phone - they didn't even bother sending anyone to look at it! :headbang: Which was b*llocks anyway as there was no damage to any of the panels that would have made it Cat S - it was arguably Cat N, but they wouldn't have it as they were clueless! And he got it repaired for less than they paid him, so arguably it wasn't Cat anything!

I handled motor insurance claims from 1978 to 1988 and we always had any potential total loss inspected by an engineer, but they were all recruited from bodyshops so we had to work out ourselves what extras cars had from their photos - things like Rostyle wheels on Cortinas, etc.

So basically I'd say insurers are unlikely to be a problem as they are mostly clueless!
 
Never understand the issue with mis-placing the characters on number plates.

If a number plate is WJ66 RDT, is it recorded as WJ66<SPACE>RDT or WJ66RDT? i.e. does the system remove the <SPACE>?

If its the later, then whats the problem, but if its the first then conceivably they are two different numbers?

On the other hand, people who buy plates that look nothing like the word they are meant to spell confuse me as well?
 
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