New Z4M

davejhartley

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Hi All
I am after buying a Z4M and have seen a few around 2007 and wondered if they have any major issues that I should be aware of and need to check . I have also looked at the 3.0 si which my wife would prefer me to buy for obvious reasons so any information on either would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks...dave
 
Hi Dave, and welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:

I've had two 3.0Sis and bought my current M just over a year ago.

The 3.0Si has a great engine that revs to 7,000 rpm, but the M has a masterpiece that revs to 8,000! All of mine have been Coupes, and based on those I'd say the 3.0Si is maybe 80% of the car for 50% of the money - but if you want that last 20% and budget is doable it's well worth it IMHO!

As for issues, the 3.0Si can suffer from oil leaks from the cam-cover gasket and oil filter housing, and has an electric water pump which will at some point die which leaves you stranded. How long they last is variable - my 1st one needed a new one after 60K miles but my 2nd seemed to be on the original when I sold it on 91K miles. A new OE pump by Pierburg costs around £250 (or £500 if you buy from BMW)!

But the M needs much more TLC with every other service being an Inspection 1 or 2 with oil serivces in between. Inspection services involve checking valve clearances and adjusting them with shims, if required, because they don't have hydraulic lifters. And at some point it is worth getting the crank rod bearing shells replaced because they do wear. How quickly seems to depend on how the car is driven, especially when the engine isn't fully warmed up, but now they are all over 10 years old it's hard to know. My car had 7 previous keepers so I got mine replaced on 77K miles and was glad I did when I saw the old ones - budget around £1,000 for that by an Independent, although I got new engine mounts fitted within that. Differential seals sometimes leak, and of course brakes, etc. cost around twice as much because of the "M Tax"! And Road Tax is £580 a year rather than £330.

Anyway which suits you better may depend on how you use it. Mine have all been "special occasion" cars, but if I was planning on using one every day I'd choose a 3.0Si mainly because an M might feel a bit wasted commuting - if anyone does that any more!

But the M just feels so much more special even when I start the engine before going anywhere! Plus the M comes without the run-flat tyres that the 3.0Si has, Hydraulic PAS instead of Electric PAS and an LSD. And it has a ZF gearbox which I have found better than the Getrag boxes in my 3.0Sis.

Also bear in mind these are pretty rare cars. Only about 600 M Coupes and 600 M Roadsters were registered in the UK, less than 3,000 3.0Si Coupes and around 1,000 3.0Si Roadsters (and some of the 3.0Sis were Autos) so you need to be prepared to travel.

Nearly forgot, but now they are getting on in years they can all suffer from corroded rear brake pipes. BMW routed them both under the floor on the passenger side in a plastic cover, but it ends a bit in front of the rear wheel and can end up with a build up of road debris that will retain moisture. New OE ones are pre-shaped so the fuel tank needs to be dropped to fit the offside one in the clips on the bulkhead, but if replaced in copper/kunifer it can be poked through then shaped afterwards.

Finally if you are buying a Coupe open the tailgate and check all around the edges as they can rust, and the BMW warranty will have expired by now.

Hope this is useful - I'll finish with a few photos for inspiration! My 2nd Coupe, my current one and my old bearing shells. :o
 

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Servicing on the ///M doesn’t need to cost the earth if you are not doing the mileage. You can have more oil services between one inspection ones.
 
Welcome to the forum Dave. Mr Tidy has written you a pretty comprehensive intro there. So I will just say. If you are hankering for the full fat ///M then your going to still be hankering for it should you buy an 3.0 SI. Enjoy the hunt. :thumbsup:
 
A really superb summary by Mr Tidy there, with all the pertinent points covered. I would probably just add that of the two engines (S54 in the M and N52 in the 3.0si), the N52 is substantially smoother, particularly when cold.

Below 5000rpm you would be fairly hard pressed to tell the difference between the two, but after 5k the extra urge of the S54 is very apparent.

For me personally, I was always a bit wary of an expensive bill waiting around the corner with the M, despite it being sensationally reliable in all my 6 years of ownership. If I had to make the choice all over again, I would go N52K (black top version of the N52 with the final subtle tweaks from the factory). But for many, the M is an itch you just have to scratch.
 
Well summarised Mr Tidy - having had a 3.0si coupe as a daily for 5 years before getting an M as a weekend toy, I completely agree that the 3.0si is 80% of the car for 50% of the money - and to be quite honest, unless you're properly up it in the M, the 3.0si is occasionally more than 80% of the car.

If you're after a proper weekend blaster and have the pockets to keep the car in proper fettle then the M is a hell of an experience. If you need to commute in the car, the 3.0si is definitely the easier one to live with daily, but still offers a cracking driving experience when you want to! I tracked mine several times over the course of ownership - it was a proper hoot :)
 
Well Thanks for all the replies especially Mr Tidy and am pleased to say I had a 12 hr round trip to pick my first BMW and it is a lovely 57 plate Z$M Coupe with 70k. I have only driven it home but already I love it. Now I have some very different questions , as the display for the Nav / radio is obviously quite old now so does anyone know if you can buy a replacement that is compatible to be controlled by the radio?
Also my coupe is very standrad other than CSL wheels which is good but what are the common upgrades that are down to improve ride/ performance etc?
Many thanks again. Dave :
 
So Dave you decided to jump straight in at the deep end and get an M - congratulations. :thumbsup:

Good to know you love it already, but with a 12 hour round trip that must have been a long enough drive home to get used to it!

I haven't done anything with the Nav. I used it once stuck in traffic and it took so long to programme I haven't bothered since. I already had a Garmin so the odd time I need directions I just stick that on the windscreen. :oops:

If yours is on original suspension it might be due a refresh. There are loads of options for that, like an Eibach/Bilstein kit, KW coil-overs, Ohlins, etc. and they all have their fans - it depends a bit how you want to use your car. Mine had newish H & R coil-overs when I got it and while it does have a fairly firm ride it handles great on smoother roads. I have also gone back to original 18" 224 wheels which helps a bit with the ride compared to the 19" CSL Reps I took off as there is more sidewall.

Being an N/A engine in a pretty high state of tune any power increases don't come cheap, and I'm more than happy with mine as standard. :)

My only other modification was buying a pair of Aero sill covers last year but they cost the best part of £1K - fortunately the pair I found were the right colour!

You can see the difference in the photo.

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Now all we need are some photos of your car!
 
Intake, brakes and suspension will make a big difference.

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hi ph001
I noticed that you are my neck of the woods in north yorkshire. Are there any independent BMW or even M specialist in the North west that have a good reputation as I have never been keen to goto main dealers?
Thanks....Dave :D
 
the 3.0si is butter smooth.... the s54 is like a chainsaw, right up their in terms of specialness, however the combination of the smoothness, grunt, sound the si motor is just a better daily driver motor in my honest opinion.
 
Cunney said:
Some great info in here thanks

Welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:

Looking at your other post you seem to be thinking of buying a Coupe. If it helps you could send "ZedsnotFeds" a Private Message via the forum now you have made 3 posts.
 
Mr Tidy said:
Cunney said:
Some great info in here thanks

Welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:

Looking at your other post you seem to be thinking of buying a Coupe. If it helps you could send "ZedsnotFeds" a Private Message via the forum now you have made 3 posts.

Cheers mate look forward to hopefully being able to contribute once I finally make a move on one

And I’ve just done exactly that :)
 
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