New car - slowly break it in?

ut745

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Hi guys,

In just under 3 weeks I should be getting my new zed. This will be my first brand new car and I keep hearing that for the first 1000 miles you should keep it under a certain amount of revs...i just wanted to know how true that is?

My brother has had many high performance cars from m3s to 911 turbos and he thrashes them from day one and it seems to be fine.

I am assuming in the long run it causes some kind of damage? I dont intend on keeping it for longer thn 2/3 years so will it really matter if I hammer it straight away?

Thanks
 
ut745 said:
Hi guys,

In just under 3 weeks I should be getting my new zed. This will be my first brand new car and I keep hearing that for the first 1000 miles you should keep it under a certain amount of revs...i just wanted to know how true that is?

My brother has had many high performance cars from m3s to 911 turbos and he thrashes them from day one and it seems to be fine.

I am assuming in the long run it causes some kind of damage? I dont intend on keeping it for longer thn 2/3 years so will it really matter if I hammer it straight away?

Thanks

I've always run my cars in, end of the day its how much mechanical sympathy you have for a car. The engines are briefly bench tested along the production line to high revs. For me its the whole car generally, brakes, gearbox etc so I think its good to take it easy for a 1000 miles or so. I think if you thrash any new car from the off you don't deserve to be at the helm :)

Tim.
 
The idea of taking it easy for the first 1000 or so miles it to let things bed in a little, I would suggest that you let it warm through properly before exploring the performance, however I wouldn't red line it during that running in period.

This goes for any car whether old or new, let it warm (10 minutes or so) and allow for thermal expansion of all those sliding/rotating components, the result of thrashing the engine when cold is high wear resulting in high oil consumption.

As all zeds are now turbocharged the above advice is even more relevant and you might not have to live with the consequences, however just imagine that later, someone on this forum might.
 
One thing that has crossed my mind with thrashing a new car from new is the manufacturer could potentially refuse warranty work, I'm guessing the cars running parameters would be stored if say the engine failed. Something to bare in mind if the handbook advises a running in period.

Tim.
 
Thanks for the comments.

I think I will ease it in then. It will be torture taking it easy but I suppose the odd one or two times revving it wont harm it too much :D
 
Tim - I asked the salesman and he said there is no need to necessarily take it easy, thats why I am confused. It makes sense that you shouldnt really thrash it in the beginning but it seems to be owners who tell me this rather than the dealers.

Either way I dont plan on red lining it or hammering it all the time, I just know for the first day I would like to put my foot down a bit to see what it sounds and performs like. I am definitely no racer lol.
 
When new, just remember all metal contact points will be at their most abrasive, so understand this is where the recommendation comes from.

There's lots of advice whether you should or shouldn't take it easy and if you're only keeping the car for a couple of years you're unlikely to have to worry. Personally I've always taken the first 500 miles very steadily as I feel it gives the car time to settle, then you can let all hell break loose.
 
The key is to allow the car to warm up, then use the revs but generally trying not to go over 4500K (I think lol) and not to put the engine under load in a high gear that can stress components.

If you do the mileage, unlike me :) 1200 miles soon passes :)

Tim.
 
ut745 said:
Tim - I asked the salesman and he said there is no need to necessarily take it easy, thats why I am confused. It makes sense that you shouldnt really thrash it in the beginning but it seems to be owners who tell me this rather than the dealers.

Either way I dont plan on red lining it or hammering it all the time, I just know for the first day I would like to put my foot down a bit to see what it sounds and performs like. I am definitely no racer lol.

I haven't got the handbook to hand but I'm sure it will mention a running in period. I would say the salesman isn't entirely correct, have you seen salesmen when they jump into a cold car and start it up, they all turn into potential F1 drivers, its not their car so they don't care.

Tim.
 
There may not be a specified running in period but just avoid heavy throttle and high revs 4.5 k max. Its good practice to let the oil get up to running temperature before putting the engine under any stress even after the first 1000 miles.
Inside the engine is a very hostile environment - Its worth giving a thought and some sympathy to those mechanical parts that are opening and closing, stopping and starting and flying around a 7000 rpm - and add to that all those explosions!
 
Tim - very true, most of the salesman dont even have half decent knowledge of the cars they are selling so I will disregard what they told me.

Ronk - I will try and keep it below 4500 revs! It will be hard tho lol. I suppose I can be patient and let it ease itself in...I'll keep it for a few years so I'll red line it later on in the year :evil:
 
Hmmm picked mine up on friday. Sales guy said no need to run it in. However manual says not over 4500 revs for first 1200 plus don't use kick down or launch control. It also says to take it easy on brakes and clutch for 300miles. I wonder if the 1200 miles is a six pot thing and the 4 pot is fine. Either way I'm going to keep it below 4500 for first 1200
 
If you did give the engine a good ragging from day one, problems would probably not show until later life.

Don't worry about keeping to "only" 4500rpm - You'll be doing a lot more than 70mph!
 
Im 700 of the 1200 running in. When I test drove it at 26 miles I did run 2nd to 3rd over 6K. Did it several times with sales man in. He did not say go easy and yes it was cold.

Then I got it and drove it like 100 miles before reading the small print. AHH so not been near the 4K since.

If it was so important it would be maid more prominent, like a sticker on the clock then we take off, or a form we sign.

I dont think its 6 pot or 4 pot but a general message. The ECU may have some data logging and it may be just a bedding in get out for BMW possibly a blanket for all engines.

I think the brakes is key to bed in, and also clutch they wont be at full bed straight away especially if there is a bit of oil left on the faces. This goes with new pads or clutch, bed it in before needing to use it in earnest, just in case it does not do what you want it to do.

Now the post 1200/ 100mph limit.

In a straight 6 I would be zipping up to 6K with no respect to the temp, I should do but come on 6K in 3rd your well past 70mph,so its 1st and 2nd gear that we could do the damage but can we really thrash a 240+ bhp engine. For me within 3 mins of 30mph im down country roads and im running possibly 6th and flooring it to 60. I guess I should be dropping into 2nd and giving it some, but I dont.

My cleica 190 readlined at 9K did a cam lift at 6K+ to go from 140 bhp to a 190 bhp. If it was cold it would no cam lift and cut the petrol off at 7.2K

4 pots turbos
My old TT 225 which was a V5 1.8 turbo would not have full power when cold, and this also depends on air temp, so was self regulating to stop us from causing damage. I do not know yet or have seen that this is with the zds.

IF any potential damage would happen with a performance sports car then BMW would have and will implement to protect very expensive wrty claims. Lets say cuts petrol off at 6K if temp is below 90. The TT was over 10 years ago and the technology was there if needed to protect it, the celica was 14 years ago.

If something went wrong to my stock un mod 2.8 because I red lined it a few times when possibly cold my, reply would ITS A SPORTS CAR. Its designed to be run within the parameters BMW have set. I have had no information regarding user damage due to engine temperature. Infact the manual states dont let it sit running without moving to warm up.

Then looking at the temp gauge whats warm, as my dial in the old 10 only seemed to be be 2 clicks form cold 70+2 clicks = 90 oC, so is warm 90oC or 75oC+.

The same goes with cooling down, again no mention in manual about allowing the engine to run a bit after after pushing it, I can sort of see the point, I remember a motorbike with turbo when coming into service stations locking, the alu head shrinking faster than the piston and bang broken gpz engine because of them running the trubo and not enough time to cool down rubbish bad choice of materials lol, not rider abuse. BMW should be building blocks that can be running hot then suddenly cool especially in a traffic jam, ohh dam I was enjoying myself and I did not see that standing traffic in front and I have damaged the engine, I dont think so.
 
The manual says to run it in. So run it in.
Salesmen generally have no idea what they are talking about. The clue is in their job title. They make the sale and that's mostly all they care about.

As has been said, if you are a car enthusiast then you will do what's right for the car (and also for future owners)

4.5k revs in the zed isn't exactly crawling along. I just kept my eye open In between gear changes.
1200 miles will soon go.

The next few weeks will drag by for you!
 
It's common sense really.

With any new car it wont have been driven in anger so there is the possibility of problems. Anyone who gets in a car and drives it at the limit is a moron. If I got in my car and went to 7k revs in each gear from cold, in winter - I'd expect a bang.

From what I've heard of the E89 most of them seem to have problems with little things, do you really want to be thrashing such a potentially problematic vehicle from day one?

If you listen to a car salesman then you need a check up from the neck up. :poke:

Take it steady and enjoy the car, a 1000 miles is nothing.
 
Running in is 1200 miles and if the weather stays like this it won't take you long to hit te target.

I drove mine very slowly for the first 200 miles. From 200-800 in comfort and no sports mode. From 800 to 1200 occasional sports mode and kick down a couple of times. Even now that I'm at 11,000 miles I make sure it has warmed up before flogging it and let it cool down before switching it off. It's as important to let it cool down as well as warm up. Shouldn't effect the engine but misuse could kill the turbo.
 
TitanTim said:
ut745 said:
Hi guys,

In just under 3 weeks I should be getting my new zed. This will be my first brand new car and I keep hearing that for the first 1000 miles you should keep it under a certain amount of revs...i just wanted to know how true that is?

My brother has had many high performance cars from m3s to 911 turbos and he thrashes them from day one and it seems to be fine.

I am assuming in the long run it causes some kind of damage? I dont intend on keeping it for longer thn 2/3 years so will it really matter if I hammer it straight away?

Thanks

I've always run my cars in, end of the day its how much mechanical sympathy you have for a car. The engines are briefly bench tested along the production line to high revs. For me its the whole car generally, brakes, gearbox etc so I think its good to take it easy for a 1000 miles or so. I think if you thrash any new car from the off you don't deserve to be at the helm :)

Tim.

Tim, with the little amount of miles on your clock - it must take you years to run your car in!! :wink:
 
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