Negotiating Brexit

[Jembo]

On a positive note, it’s creating a ton of news jobs all over the place ... more advisors, consultants, media, barristers, civil servants, beurocrats .... requiring lots of meetings, travel & events... all which give more to infrastructure...

... paid for by us, from the debt galaxy

 

[exdos]

The answer to all this negotiating nonsense over the border between the EU and the UK, which includes N. Ireland, should be determined by the EU's Article 8 of its own Lisbon Treaty which went into force on 1st December 2009, in which it states:

1. The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

2. For the purposes of paragraph 1, the Union may conclude specific agreements with the countries concerned. These agreements may contain reciprocal rights and obligations as well as the possibility of undertaking activities jointly. Their implementation shall be the subject of periodic consultation.

It seems to me that the EU is again failing to apply it's own treaty in regard to its future relationship with the UK.

 

[TomK]

Why do you feel the need to tell anyone that you’re a ‘top level student’, are you not comfortable with yourself, or just an inexperienced immature mouthpiece? I think I know which....

Maybe it has something to do with this original comment of yours?

You clearly don’t have enough education to accept others have a different opinion to yours

Seriously take a look at what you are writing and ask who's the one who's getting angry here.... Maybe think about how to voice your opinions differently/somewhere else for all our sakes.

 

[john-e89]

Why do you feel the need to tell anyone that you’re a ‘top level student’, are you not comfortable with yourself, or just an inexperienced immature mouthpiece? I think I know which....

Maybe it has something to do with this original comment of yours?

You clearly don’t have enough education to accept others have a different opinion to yours

Seriously take a look at what you are writing and ask who's the one who's getting angry here.... Maybe think about how to voice your opinions differently/somewhere else for all our sakes.

You’re just having a pop because I didn’t rise to your baiting over my Boxster. Another arrogant immmature know it all that hates anyone else’s opinion. You’re the moron that kept digging at D4Dawg, he’s gone so you have to find someone else, you’re a coward troll hiding behind a keyboard, the worlds full of them unfortunately.

You pair of clowns have started on me without us ever having spoken before, a pair of keyboard cowards with nothing better to talk about so you find finding something to pick on. This is an open forum for everyone to enjoy, I don’t come on here to be attacked by keyboard warriors with an agenda for pissing people off. I don’t know what you get out of being such arseholes but I’m telling you straight, back off.

 

[RustyZ4]

Just read this post,,,,,,

Im not going to join in the political debate,, but I will say one thing that I find has been missing for a long time,,

For years we have had "grey" politics, and the backlash of that, many people showing very little interest or passion for any political stance ,, now with what's going on in the world, trump, Brexit, even Corbyn, we have lively debate and younger as well as older people showing passion for it, and that is good, long as you show respect for someone else's opinion and don't get closed minded

 

[TomK]

Why do you feel the need to tell anyone that you’re a ‘top level student’, are you not comfortable with yourself, or just an inexperienced immature mouthpiece? I think I know which....

Maybe it has something to do with this original comment of yours?

You clearly don’t have enough education to accept others have a different opinion to yours

Seriously take a look at what you are writing and ask who's the one who's getting angry here.... Maybe think about how to voice your opinions differently/somewhere else for all our sakes.

You’re just having a pop because I didn’t rise to your baiting over my Boxster. Another arrogant immmature know it all that hates anyone else’s opinion.

You pair of clowns have started on me without us ever having spoken before, a pair of keyboard cowards with nothing better to talk about so you find finding something to pick on. This is an open forum for everyone to enjoy, I don’t come on here to be attacked by keyboard warriors with an agenda for pissing people off. I don’t know what you get out of being such arseholes but I’m telling you straight, back off.

Wow! You are hilarious, surely must be a wind up, can someone be so angry?
As for you trying to understand the concept that vehicle mass doesn’t really affect sub limit transient vehicle behaviour, as others can probably imagine, I gave up!
What that has to do with the current discussion I'm not really sure?

 

[john-e89]

Maybe it has something to do with this original comment of yours?

Seriously take a look at what you are writing and ask who's the one who's getting angry here.... Maybe think about how to voice your opinions differently/somewhere else for all our sakes.

You’re just having a pop because I didn’t rise to your baiting over my Boxster. Another arrogant immmature know it all that hates anyone else’s opinion.

You pair of clowns have started on me without us ever having spoken before, a pair of keyboard cowards with nothing better to talk about so you find finding something to pick on. This is an open forum for everyone to enjoy, I don’t come on here to be attacked by keyboard warriors with an agenda for pissing people off. I don’t know what you get out of being such arseholes but I’m telling you straight, back off.

Wow! You are hilarious, surely must be a wind up, can someone be so angry?
As for you trying to understand the concept that vehicle mass doesn’t really affect sub limit transient vehicle behaviour, as others can probably imagine, I gave up!

If you give up why are you bothering to post? Unless it’s to be a coward troll.

 

[Phil-E30]

Maybe it has something to do with this original comment of yours?

Seriously take a look at what you are writing and ask who's the one who's getting angry here.... Maybe think about how to voice your opinions differently/somewhere else for all our sakes.

You’re just having a pop because I didn’t rise to your baiting over my Boxster. Another arrogant immmature know it all that hates anyone else’s opinion.

You pair of clowns have started on me without us ever having spoken before, a pair of keyboard cowards with nothing better to talk about so you find finding something to pick on. This is an open forum for everyone to enjoy, I don’t come on here to be attacked by keyboard warriors with an agenda for pissing people off. I don’t know what you get out of being such arseholes but I’m telling you straight, back off.

Wow! You are hilarious, surely must be a wind up, can someone be so angry?
As for you trying to understand the concept that vehicle mass doesn’t really affect sub limit transient vehicle behaviour, as others can probably imagine, I gave up!

I'm genuinely dumbfounded at these posts. The sheer level of anger, bitterness, ignorance, and lack of self-awareness is genuinely hard to fathom. Nicely rounded off with another insult and a thinly veiled threat, "I'm telling you straight, back off." You need to have a word with yourself.

 

[TomK]

You’re just having a pop because I didn’t rise to your baiting over my Boxster. Another arrogant immmature know it all that hates anyone else’s opinion.

You pair of clowns have started on me without us ever having spoken before, a pair of keyboard cowards with nothing better to talk about so you find finding something to pick on. This is an open forum for everyone to enjoy, I don’t come on here to be attacked by keyboard warriors with an agenda for pissing people off. I don’t know what you get out of being such arseholes but I’m telling you straight, back off.

Wow! You are hilarious, surely must be a wind up, can someone be so angry?
As for you trying to understand the concept that vehicle mass doesn’t really affect sub limit transient vehicle behaviour, as others can probably imagine, I gave up!

If you give up why are you bothering to post? Unless it’s to be a coward troll.

I said 'gave' as in the past, referring to the thread in the past. The concept is not that hard to understand I thought. I will indeed give up again now as clearly I'm talking to a complete idiot who would like to have a face to face fight by the sounds of things. Very odd.

 

[john-e89]

Wow! You are hilarious, surely must be a wind up, can someone be so angry?
As for you trying to understand the concept that vehicle mass doesn’t really affect sub limit transient vehicle behaviour, as others can probably imagine, I gave up!

If you give up why are you bothering to post? Unless it’s to be a coward troll.

I said 'gave' as in the past, referring to the thread in the past. The concept is not that hard to understand I thought. I will indeed give up again now as clearly I'm talking to a complete idiot who would like to have a face to face fight by the sounds of things. Very odd.

And still you troll, what an immature coward.

 

[john-e89]

You’re just having a pop because I didn’t rise to your baiting over my Boxster. Another arrogant immmature know it all that hates anyone else’s opinion.

You pair of clowns have started on me without us ever having spoken before, a pair of keyboard cowards with nothing better to talk about so you find finding something to pick on. This is an open forum for everyone to enjoy, I don’t come on here to be attacked by keyboard warriors with an agenda for pissing people off. I don’t know what you get out of being such arseholes but I’m telling you straight, back off.

Wow! You are hilarious, surely must be a wind up, can someone be so angry?
As for you trying to understand the concept that vehicle mass doesn’t really affect sub limit transient vehicle behaviour, as others can probably imagine, I gave up!

I'm genuinely dumbfounded at these posts. The sheer level of anger, bitterness, ignorance, and lack of self-awareness is genuinely hard to fathom. Nicely rounded off with another insult and a thinly veiled threat, "I'm telling you straight, back off." You need to have a word with yourself.

Me angry...????????? After your first post....!!!!!!!!! Says everything. I’m out.

 

[john-e89]

Hopefully SR Hutch will lock this ridiculous thread.

 

[sp3ctre]

Thread unlocked... let's keep it civil please

 

[Chris_D]

Thread unlocked and er, censored it seems.
I was all waiting for the handbag-swinging scrap in the carpark offer to drop into the thread.
:lol:

 

[jabber]

To be honest I have given up hope on brexit now, I voted leave under the stupid idea that our political leaders and the EU leaders would negotiate a sensible agreement meeting the views of the British electorate (both leave and remain) ending with a strong new partnership with the EU but not part of it which in my mind would be the best option for all. It would appear depending on which news outlet you read we are going to either be part of the EU but with no input on rules etc or an apocalyptic fall of a cliff

 

[exdos]

It is easy to understand the frustration with Brexit from both leavers and remainers perspectives because the so-called "negotiations " have been dragging on. However, from the moment the UK initiated Article 50 on 29th March 2017, the EU was never intending to settle any agreement early (it wants the UK's payments for as long as possible) and the EU always takes the full time to reach any conclusions. As such, the UK has had to go through the motions and run down the clock which keeps ticking until mid-October before the EU starts to properly negotiate. What we've been fed by the media about the Brexit negotiations over the past 18 months is just "guff". Brexit should only be judged by the deal (or otherwise) that we reach with the EU when we actually leave the bloc. The question is: how willing is the EU prepared to lose the UK as both a customer and a financial contributor?

 

[Nictrix]

I don't follow much of politics but what I do think is that no matter whether a politician voted to leave or remain or whether they agree with the decision that was made they should all be standing by the vote and doing their best to help where they can instead of fighting and bickering between themselves.
If they cannot back the decision of the people they represent they should not be in the post they are in.

 

[RustyZ4]

There's a lot of speculation flying about, mixed with a good dose of scaremongering, all I hear on anything to do with Brexit is,,,, might, possibly, could,,, etc etc,,, truth is, no one knows

 

[Jembo]

To be honest I have given up hope on brexit now, I voted leave under the stupid idea that our political leaders and the EU leaders would negotiate a sensible agreement meeting the views of the British electorate (both leave and remain) ending with a strong new partnership with the EU but not part of it which in my mind would be the best option for all. It would appear depending on which news outlet you read we are going to either be part of the EU but with no input on rules etc or an apocalyptic fall of a cliff

You’ve obviously never been through a practise marriage or had to deal with the legal system at its worst.

The fallout stays with you for the rest of your life... for many like a millstone round their necks.

I despise how unanswerable the EU has become with our money, though if you compare the overall availability of services, quality of life, how easy it has become compared to the 70’s to move about, no more 15% interest rates, work & play... it’s why I voted to remain, but respect the wishes of the majority.

However, I still believe the British people should be allowed to vote for the deal they want... given options, including one which says remain.

Whichever deal gets the most votes, knowing what we know now, that’s the one we take

 

[sp3ctre]

To me it feels like the EU is like the Mafia... sure, you'll be better off financially if you stay, but it's a horrible organisation that will punish you if you leave. Just feels nasty being part of such a thing.