NATIONAL MEET 2014... (FRI),SAT.&SUNDAY 11TH/12TH/13TH JULY
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As there are already over a dozen cars signed up for the Snake Pass run people may have already made arrangements and, as the National has only just been announced, I would think the simplest thing would be to change the proposed date for the National - it was a different weekend last year so it's obviously not immovable
Usa
Already posted this on the Snake Pass thread but just another opinion. 
My take on it is that the Snake Pass meet was only announced on the Forum on Thursday and the National on Friday.
It's been suggested that this has been discussed on Facebook when perhaps it may of been better to announce here as a lot us aren't on Facebook.
I did post in the thread that the National has always been first weekend of July and would of been last year if not for the Tour De France.
The OP either didn't read this or chose to ignore it.
In fairness to Craig and Sammyz, they both put in an awful amount of work to make this "the" meet of the year and I don't think it would be fair to suggest that the date for the National should be changed.
I know that there has been discussions before about events clashing........maybe not ideal but I can't see any reason why the 2 meets can't go ahead on the same weekend as I'm sure any regular attendees of the National like myself would of already had it marked up on their calendar.
Again in fairness to Craig, perhaps he could of chosen his words a bit better but it's his passion and hard work along with sammyz that makes the National such a fantastic, well attended, successful event every year.
Just my opinion.
My take on it is that the Snake Pass meet was only announced on the Forum on Thursday and the National on Friday.
It's been suggested that this has been discussed on Facebook when perhaps it may of been better to announce here as a lot us aren't on Facebook.
I did post in the thread that the National has always been first weekend of July and would of been last year if not for the Tour De France.
The OP either didn't read this or chose to ignore it.
In fairness to Craig and Sammyz, they both put in an awful amount of work to make this "the" meet of the year and I don't think it would be fair to suggest that the date for the National should be changed.
I know that there has been discussions before about events clashing........maybe not ideal but I can't see any reason why the 2 meets can't go ahead on the same weekend as I'm sure any regular attendees of the National like myself would of already had it marked up on their calendar.
Again in fairness to Craig, perhaps he could of chosen his words a bit better but it's his passion and hard work along with sammyz that makes the National such a fantastic, well attended, successful event every year.
Just my opinion.
as posted on the other meet's page...
So both meets happening on the same day(s) shouldn't be an issue if they both go ahead as currently planned, unless people make it an issue. As you state, the regulars for the National will still go there, others will go to the snake pass meet, and still more won't do either...
markeg said:
So both meets happening on the same day(s) shouldn't be an issue if they both go ahead as currently planned, unless people make it an issue. As you state, the regulars for the National will still go there, others will go to the snake pass meet, and still more won't do either...
It appears that the OP tried to contact Craig by PM prior to arranging/posting about the meet, as I said I don't know how long she gave him to respond, but he didn't get back to her so she went ahead with her plans - personally, I can't see that she did anything wrong.jimbo1958 said:
I'm not planning on attending either meet, so I don't really 'have a dog in this fight' but, in the interests of fairness, I always thought that the idea was that the first person to announce a date for a meet in a particular area had 'dibs' on that date and other people should, out of courtesy, not attempt to compete with it. On that basis, if the National was going to be planned for a particular weekend an early 'placeholder' post to grab the date, even if posted a year in advance, would have been a sensible idea.
Yep - it would be helpful - particularly for new members - could include
The National date, Silverstone classic, English-Welsh meet ,
the problem can be peoples views on how close two meets can take place on the same weekend ..... we've been there before . having said that here is a forum not a car club - with all the rigidty of calendars, regions , organising committees ..... each have their pros and cons .
any way one year i managed to organise a meet on Mothers Day
The National date, Silverstone classic, English-Welsh meet ,
the problem can be peoples views on how close two meets can take place on the same weekend ..... we've been there before . having said that here is a forum not a car club - with all the rigidty of calendars, regions , organising committees ..... each have their pros and cons .
any way one year i managed to organise a meet on Mothers Day
markeg said:craig3.2 said:Hi Folks....yes, I am still alive AND I WILL BE ORGANISING THIS YEARS NATIONAL AS USUAL (WITH JOHN/THOUGH HAVEN'T SPOKE TO HIM RECENTLY, I WILL SOON)
....JUST GOING TO BE GETTING POSTS/NEW THREAD STARTED SOON ON THIS YEARS NATIONAL LAKES AND DALES MEET,
THOUGH WE APPEAR TO HAVE SOMEONE WANTING TO ORGANISE A SIMILAR MEET IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA ON THE SAME FKN WEEKEND THIS YEAR.
Forum etiquite would surely make this a big no no, and if this other meet goes ahead in the 1st weekend in july(as the NATIONAL TRADITIONALLY HAS BEEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW) IT will f**k everything up big time!!
Why have people no damn respect!! lol.
WILL POST NEW THREADS SOON/ONCE SPOKEN TO JOHN AND GOT SOME PRIZES IN THE PIPELINE ALREADY, ETC
Sorry, but you talk forum etiquette and then actively slate someone else's efforts to set up a meet. If you have an objection, that try sorting out personably, through PM, and post something far more diplomatic. Respect goes both ways. :thumbsdown:
I have to totally agree also :thumbsdown: , sounds like a case of CERTAIN PEOPLE getting their knickers in a twist
Let's not be too harsh on Craig. He's a lovely bloke and I'm sure he'll reflect on his comment and think that perhaps he was a bit spikey on this occasion. He's a Scot at after all so we have to cut him some slack!!
It's nice we have two passionate people on here trying to organise Zed meetings. Hopefully they can accommodate one another. After all if you've done a few nationals like I have sometimes it's nice to have a break and do something different.
It's nice we have two passionate people on here trying to organise Zed meetings. Hopefully they can accommodate one another. After all if you've done a few nationals like I have sometimes it's nice to have a break and do something different.
craig3.2 said:Hi Folks....yes, I am still alive AND I WILL BE ORGANISING THIS YEARS NATIONAL AS USUAL (WITH JOHN/THOUGH HAVEN'T SPOKE TO HIM RECENTLY, I WILL SOON)
....JUST GOING TO BE GETTING POSTS/NEW THREAD STARTED SOON ON THIS YEARS NATIONAL LAKES AND DALES MEET,
THOUGH WE APPEAR TO HAVE SOMEONE WANTING TO ORGANISE A SIMILAR MEET IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA ON THE SAME FKN WEEKEND THIS YEAR.
Forum etiquite would surely make this a big no no, and if this other meet goes ahead in the 1st weekend in july(as the NATIONAL TRADITIONALLY HAS BEEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW) IT will f**k everything up big time!!
Why have people no damn respect!! lol.
WILL POST NEW THREADS SOON/ONCE SPOKEN TO JOHN AND GOT SOME PRIZES IN THE PIPELINE ALREADY, ETC
And people see the trolls....
having seen some of the private messages you have been throwing around I am sure you are a mighty keyboard warrior but one more message such as you have sent and you will be having a national meet as YOU will be national...
you have my number plate so Im not hard to find and neither are you
As someone who has attended and enjoyed the last two Nationals I'm concerned about the nature of some of the responses to Craig's comments and I want to offer an alternative view.
You'll see that I posted straight after his post - last year Steph and I organised a lot of runs in the North East and we hadn't thought about the conflicts this might create on the forum. We went ahead without that in mind. I learned later that it effected other people's planned and intended runs and was disappointed as I could have sorted that out easily - had I thought ahead. So when I read through Craig's post I was laughing and seeing it as another example of relative newbies doing the same. For me it was a given that, once the person who had posted an alternative meet on the same weekend was made aware, then the National would go ahead as it always has (bar the alternate weekend last year, due to La Tour) and the other event would be rescheduled - for me it was a given.
Secondly, from what I've seen at 2 Nationals I can vouch for the fact that Craig takes on an enormous responsibility for the National being a success every year - posting and organising the event, booking campsites and liaising with members over pitches, collecting monies and paying deposits, organising the hotel's Friday meal, liaising and planning of the routes with sammyz, contacting all members to coordinate attendances each day and checking that everyone is ok at the campsite and on the runs. On the Saturday he collects money from all participants for the evening BBQ, then sets out to go and buy everything needed, brings it back and we have a terrific (and reasonably costed) social night. then there's the raffle - heaven knows how Craig gets all the stuff in his Zed - last year he tried to cut down the number of prizes - there were still a dozen or more! So he's around everyone selling raffle tickets through the weekend and then does a draw where nearly everyone gets to be a winner, the first year we attended he wrote up the event and had photos and multipage reports printed in 2 national magazines and so it goes on. . . .year after year.
Craig has a genuine commitment and drive to see all these things through (some other folk do help him out) - in the main he's been the driving force behind this 'National' Z4 Forum Event year after year. He and John received a present as a formal thank you from the forum last year for their efforts over the years and it was very well deserved. There's little wonder he's a bit sensitive over the National!
For myself and for many, I would say, this is a special Forum event - THE National Z4 Forum event that Craig has been prepared to take responsibility for and see through to completion and success year after year. It's understandable then, if his reaction is one of frustration and (what I took to be) light-hearted annoyance (he even posted lol on his original post). I can see how some folk would see the capitals as aggressive and un-necessary but to me it was a frustration born out of much effort and commitment to this special event year after year tempered with a laugh at the end (hence the lol) and remember, efforts on our behalf!
Special events such as the National do not happen easily - they take a committed and single minded approach and having organised quite a few hoons now (including our Northumberland Castles and Coast which had 17 Zeds) I feel it's easy to under-estimate what's needed to make such an event (A full weekend remember and there were 34 Zeds in 2013) successful.
I think we are very lucky to have people such as Craig and Sammyz, prepared to offer such efforts so we can experience this special National event. I don't want to lose it and the date has been set for years (last year being an exception) and should be recognised as a special event on the forum calendar. For these reasons, for me it takes precedence over any other event and I can understand completely Craig's passion and initial post.
Just as a reality check - I think, having talked about it to Steph, I'd even put my name down for the 'other' event! How daft is that!
You'll see that I posted straight after his post - last year Steph and I organised a lot of runs in the North East and we hadn't thought about the conflicts this might create on the forum. We went ahead without that in mind. I learned later that it effected other people's planned and intended runs and was disappointed as I could have sorted that out easily - had I thought ahead. So when I read through Craig's post I was laughing and seeing it as another example of relative newbies doing the same. For me it was a given that, once the person who had posted an alternative meet on the same weekend was made aware, then the National would go ahead as it always has (bar the alternate weekend last year, due to La Tour) and the other event would be rescheduled - for me it was a given.
Secondly, from what I've seen at 2 Nationals I can vouch for the fact that Craig takes on an enormous responsibility for the National being a success every year - posting and organising the event, booking campsites and liaising with members over pitches, collecting monies and paying deposits, organising the hotel's Friday meal, liaising and planning of the routes with sammyz, contacting all members to coordinate attendances each day and checking that everyone is ok at the campsite and on the runs. On the Saturday he collects money from all participants for the evening BBQ, then sets out to go and buy everything needed, brings it back and we have a terrific (and reasonably costed) social night. then there's the raffle - heaven knows how Craig gets all the stuff in his Zed - last year he tried to cut down the number of prizes - there were still a dozen or more! So he's around everyone selling raffle tickets through the weekend and then does a draw where nearly everyone gets to be a winner, the first year we attended he wrote up the event and had photos and multipage reports printed in 2 national magazines and so it goes on. . . .year after year.
Craig has a genuine commitment and drive to see all these things through (some other folk do help him out) - in the main he's been the driving force behind this 'National' Z4 Forum Event year after year. He and John received a present as a formal thank you from the forum last year for their efforts over the years and it was very well deserved. There's little wonder he's a bit sensitive over the National!
For myself and for many, I would say, this is a special Forum event - THE National Z4 Forum event that Craig has been prepared to take responsibility for and see through to completion and success year after year. It's understandable then, if his reaction is one of frustration and (what I took to be) light-hearted annoyance (he even posted lol on his original post). I can see how some folk would see the capitals as aggressive and un-necessary but to me it was a frustration born out of much effort and commitment to this special event year after year tempered with a laugh at the end (hence the lol) and remember, efforts on our behalf!
Special events such as the National do not happen easily - they take a committed and single minded approach and having organised quite a few hoons now (including our Northumberland Castles and Coast which had 17 Zeds) I feel it's easy to under-estimate what's needed to make such an event (A full weekend remember and there were 34 Zeds in 2013) successful.
I think we are very lucky to have people such as Craig and Sammyz, prepared to offer such efforts so we can experience this special National event. I don't want to lose it and the date has been set for years (last year being an exception) and should be recognised as a special event on the forum calendar. For these reasons, for me it takes precedence over any other event and I can understand completely Craig's passion and initial post.
Just as a reality check - I think, having talked about it to Steph, I'd even put my name down for the 'other' event! How daft is that!
In the majority, I agree with you Paul but I still hold that, if the National is to have a special status amongst meets, then advance threads for, say, the 2016 & 2017 Nationals could be created now
The threads would only need to contain a title with the expected dates and a 'details to follow' body text. Once created the mods could lock them and make them a sticky in the Meets/Events/Road Trips forum. When the organisers are ready to fill in the details they can ask the mods to unlock the thread and they can edit the placeholder post to add the details
The threads would only need to contain a title with the expected dates and a 'details to follow' body text. Once created the mods could lock them and make them a sticky in the Meets/Events/Road Trips forum. When the organisers are ready to fill in the details they can ask the mods to unlock the thread and they can edit the placeholder post to add the details
Bradders75
Senior member
GT09SEB said:And people see the trolls....
having seen some of the private messages you have been throwing around I am sure you are a mighty keyboard warrior but one more message such as you have sent and you will be having a national meet as YOU will be national...
you have my number plate so Im not hard to find and neither are you
You're accusing someone of being a keyboard warrior whilst appearing to be one yourself. :roll: Hopefully, Sarah and Craig can shake (virtual) hands and settle this accidental clash of dates like adults because nobody is covering themselves in glory at the moment.
PerryGunn said:
Agree with that Perry, great suggestion & NOT a criticism of people's past efforts. Ownership, forum membership, & organised meets, are sure to increase over the coming years so lets support ALL the folks who are prepared to give up their valuable time to make it happen.
GT09SEB said:craig3.2 said:Hi Folks....yes, I am still alive AND I WILL BE ORGANISING THIS YEARS NATIONAL AS USUAL (WITH JOHN/THOUGH HAVEN'T SPOKE TO HIM RECENTLY, I WILL SOON)
....JUST GOING TO BE GETTING POSTS/NEW THREAD STARTED SOON ON THIS YEARS NATIONAL LAKES AND DALES MEET,
THOUGH WE APPEAR TO HAVE SOMEONE WANTING TO ORGANISE A SIMILAR MEET IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA ON THE SAME FKN WEEKEND THIS YEAR.
Forum etiquite would surely make this a big no no, and if this other meet goes ahead in the 1st weekend in july(as the NATIONAL TRADITIONALLY HAS BEEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW) IT will f**k everything up big time!!
Why have people no damn respect!! lol.
WILL POST NEW THREADS SOON/ONCE SPOKEN TO JOHN AND GOT SOME PRIZES IN THE PIPELINE ALREADY, ETC
And people see the trolls....
having seen some of the private messages you have been throwing around I am sure you are a mighty keyboard warrior but one more message such as you have sent and you will be having a national meet as YOU will be national...
you have my number plate so Im not hard to find and neither are you
Whilst I appreciate the reasons for your response Seb, this is your third post on the forum and all have been to do with this currently hot topic... Tbh this sort of threat on an open forum is out of order :thumbsdown:
Oh, and if anyone would care to search Craig's posts you'd find that he has an uncanny affinity for the caps button - completely ignored by almost everybody because it's kind of like having a mate who is a really noisy eater, you just deal with it :wink:
Bradders75
Senior member
Bing said:
