Nasty pile up at the Ring.
- Thread starter Yorkie Z
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Liverpool
This happened on my last day there a couple of weeks ago. Despite that last minute it was probably the most well-behaved weekend (5 days for me) I’ve been.
It was being discussed on the Bridge-To-Gantry website.
http://www.bridgetogantry.com/freak-14-car-pile-up-mars-otherwise-perfect-weekend/
It was being discussed on the Bridge-To-Gantry website.
http://www.bridgetogantry.com/freak-14-car-pile-up-mars-otherwise-perfect-weekend/
Still might not have helped if the marshal was there, as there's very little space to do anything once you see a flag/yellow light, and some people simply lift off vs slamming on.Yorkie Z said:Looks pretty nasty from that link. Seems a Marshall had left his post early
It looks like a Porsche driving is going’s to be on the hook for a fair bill.
We completely missed the closure as it was the end of the day anyway, and we were busy waiting, at the entrance, for the police to turn up to resolve a little issue one of our group had with a German driver. Can’t say much more until the claim/blame has been worked out (although there was an independent witness who happened to record the incident, and significantly supports our side of the story).
How does that work, insurance-wise? I assume anyone on their must buy insurance (they would be stupid not too) but does that mean that the insurance company will pay for the helicopters, cars, track and barrier repairs, recovery and storage? In which case that must be some expensive insurance!
If someone isn't insured, what happens then?
If someone isn't insured, what happens then?
Paulr said:
If the porsche driver is german he will be covered under his road insurance policy (it is after all a public road adhering to any German law as such) for at least the 3rd party claims is my understanding. However, if it is an english car then the driver will be liable, TF days are exempt from any standard road UK policy AFAIK, and I know of not one specialist track day policy that will cover you on TF. That's the problem for us brits going there on a TF day, split a coolant hose, cause crash, big trouble
Don't go there in any of the new McLarens basically if you happen to have one :lol:
It’s a bit of a catch-22.
You're not covered by your UK road insurance, but you can’t buy German road insurance for a UK car.
Legally, you are covered for 3rd party liabilities on your UK road policy, because a UK insurer cannot remove these rights as you’re simply driving on a German road.
However, in practice, they insert a clause which says that they will pay out to the 3rd party - as it’s their legal obligation - BUT reserve the right to come after the policy holder to recoup their losses...in certain circumstances...the Nürburgring being one.
I’m covered via a MORIS policy for FIRST PARTY claims only, with a £1500 excess. However, a £1m+ 3rd party claim would mean I’d be sued or made bankrupt to pay for it. I suppose I could offer to pay at £1/week
Part of the reason that I don’t go chasing times, or driving at 10/10ths, clipping/riding every kerb...but there’d be little I could do if I had a coolant hose let go at the bottom of Fuchsrohre...other than pulling off the track as soon as I became aware of it.
A couple of German terms I became aware of this latest trip (from the Polizei), are similar to ones in the UK. Something along the lines of 'drive to the conditions’ and ‘drive what you can see’.
I.e. only drive as fast as the prevailing conditions allow, and only as fast as you can see safely to stop.
I wonder if any insurance claims have been reduced due to the claimant not being able to stop in time as they’ve barrelled around a blind corner, or over a blind crest? Obviously a cooolant/oil/fuel spill is another matter.
You're not covered by your UK road insurance, but you can’t buy German road insurance for a UK car.
Legally, you are covered for 3rd party liabilities on your UK road policy, because a UK insurer cannot remove these rights as you’re simply driving on a German road.
However, in practice, they insert a clause which says that they will pay out to the 3rd party - as it’s their legal obligation - BUT reserve the right to come after the policy holder to recoup their losses...in certain circumstances...the Nürburgring being one.
I’m covered via a MORIS policy for FIRST PARTY claims only, with a £1500 excess. However, a £1m+ 3rd party claim would mean I’d be sued or made bankrupt to pay for it. I suppose I could offer to pay at £1/week
Part of the reason that I don’t go chasing times, or driving at 10/10ths, clipping/riding every kerb...but there’d be little I could do if I had a coolant hose let go at the bottom of Fuchsrohre...other than pulling off the track as soon as I became aware of it.
A couple of German terms I became aware of this latest trip (from the Polizei), are similar to ones in the UK. Something along the lines of 'drive to the conditions’ and ‘drive what you can see’.
I.e. only drive as fast as the prevailing conditions allow, and only as fast as you can see safely to stop.
I wonder if any insurance claims have been reduced due to the claimant not being able to stop in time as they’ve barrelled around a blind corner, or over a blind crest? Obviously a cooolant/oil/fuel spill is another matter.
I have a clause in my insurance policy, as I am sure we all do, that precludes 'racing and rallying', and that means on the road as well (although third party would still be covered).
You never hear about the longer term consequences of these crashes - or at least I don't. Makes me shudder looking at that, a few lives changed that day I suspect, both in terms of health and money.
You never hear about the longer term consequences of these crashes - or at least I don't. Makes me shudder looking at that, a few lives changed that day I suspect, both in terms of health and money.
Paulwirral
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jabber said:
Tourist laps , pay for your ticket and off you go on an de restricted toll road that also happens to be the Nurburgring!
Last 2 years I've been I've not even bothered buying lap tickets the driving standards have been that bad , we spend more time in the bars and restaurants at Mayen , 20 mins up the road .