My tramlining/instability problems

pdk42

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 Leamington Spa
Some of you may remember that I posted a few months back about my woes with tramlining and instability in the straight ahead position on my e85. The car was new to me and I changed the rears pretty soon after I bought the car since they were close to the wear limit. Almost immediately I noticed that the car was tramlining badly and actually quite unpleasant to drive with very twitchy steering in the straight-ahead position. I wanted to believe it was the tyre change, but the car was new to me and a number of people doubted that rear tyres could do this - which I found easy to believe since I had pretty much the same intuitive feeling.

So, I had the steering geometry checked and tweaked (it was very slightly out), fiddled endlessly with tyre pressures (harder tyres seemed to make it better), worried incessantly about power steering problems (esp the angle sensor), considered playing around with new FRONT tyres and generally doubted whether buying the car at all was a good idea.

Then last week I decided to hang the expense and put another set of rear tyres on. So, off went the Nexen N8000s and on went some Falken 453s to match the 452s on the front. The impact was immediate - the tramlining was immediately almost completely suppressed and the stability was much, much improved. I can't say that the car is as stable as my main car (a 335i touring), but I'm no longer thinking that I'm about to be yanked off to the side of the road and can actually relax a little while driving it now.

I'm yet to play with pressures again and TBH, the fronts will need changing within a few thousand miles, but I'm now feeling much happier with the car.

The question in my head is why the rear tyres affected the car's handling so badly. I'm assuming it's something to do with the flexibility of the side walls. Certainly the Falkens produce a much harder ride. My theory is that minor tramlining from the steering was being amplified by flex on the rears causing a sort of oscillation.

In any case, what I can say is that the Nexen N8000s are best avoided on the e85!
 
Its due to the fact the rear wheels are wider than the fronts. Same as Porsche. Always match front and rear makes and tread profiles. :thumbsup:
 
K3P0 said:
Its due to the fact the rear wheels are wider than the fronts. Same as Porsche. Always match front and rear makes and tread profiles. :thumbsup:
Ah - thanks for that. I've still got different tyres front /rear of course - 452s vs 453s. The tread pattern is actually quite different. I don't think I'll be rushing out to change the fronts, but when I do, I'll go for 453s too.
 
K3P0 said:
Always match front and rear makes and tread profiles. :thumbsup:

Not necessarily true in all cases :wink: ive run many different tyre set ups without issues , including directional rears/asymetrical fronts & vice versa , currently running Michelin directional 255 rears with 235 Uniroyal RS3 fronts which are a combination of treads & the car is handling & feeling faultless :thumbsup:

I wouldn't do it on 4x4s though / all 4 corners the same brand/tread & tread depth
 
Sorry to hijack the thread but I recently had a wheel alignment done and then upgraded to 19'' wheels and tyres. The tramlining stopped after the alignment but has now returned with the new wheels. I think I know the answer and sorry if this sounds stupid but is the issue likely to be the alignment?
 
dans6490 said:
Sorry to hijack the thread but I recently had a wheel alignment done and then upgraded to 19'' wheels and tyres. The tramlining stopped after the alignment but has now returned with the new wheels. I think I know the answer and sorry if this sounds stupid but is the issue likely to be the alignment?

Wouldn't it be more likely the new wheels&tyres?
What sizes are on the front ,what make & have you tried playing around with the pressures ?
Also possible that they weren't balanced properly ?
 
I recently changed wheels and tyres as i was getting very twitchy steering and bad tramlining. So bad i really didnt like the car....
I went from staggered 18" 108's with non run flat Nankangs tyres on the back, and runflat Bridgestones on the front. Fitted a set of 17" E89 wheels with non run flat Goodyear Aagal F1's and its 500% transformed the car.
I cant tell you what really caused it the biggest change as i went to smaller wheels, non staggered, and non run flats all in one swap. But its changed the car so much. :driving:
 
I think there a quite a few factors involved here. incorrect tyre pressures, uneven tread wear/scrub, castor/camber settings, tracking and wheel alignment etc. Maybe even the prone to fail rear springs has an impact too? I think common sense would say that if all the cars springs and shocks are ok, and the track and wheel alignment are spot on, then it can only be tyre pressures and or tyre combo :)
 
mr wilks said:
dans6490 said:
Sorry to hijack the thread but I recently had a wheel alignment done and then upgraded to 19'' wheels and tyres. The tramlining stopped after the alignment but has now returned with the new wheels. I think I know the answer and sorry if this sounds stupid but is the issue likely to be the alignment?

Wouldn't it be more likely the new wheels&tyres?
What sizes are on the front ,what make & have you tried playing around with the pressures ?
Also possible that they weren't balanced properly ?

I was hoping it isn't the new wheels & tyres but I suppose it is likely. I've got 235/35/19 Falken 453 front and 265/30/19 Falken 453 rears?? Good point regarding the pressures as I just assumed the tyre place would know but thinking about it they probably didn't, will check on the way home from work :thumbsup: . Not sure on the wheel balance but they did put them on the machine as I stood and watched.
 
My Tramlining was greatley inmproved when I fitted new front wishbone rear bushes. This effectively stopped a great deal of the front to back movement on the front wheels. A good test is to park the car on the level with the handbrake on. Stick your foot on one of the front wheels near the top and try to roll it backwards and forwards. It should move a bit but no more than a few mm. Mine were moving about 20-30mm. Replaced the bushes on both sides and it made the car much better :driving:
 
toolmanchris said:
My Tramlining was greatley inmproved when I fitted new front wishbone rear bushes. This effectively stopped a great deal of the front to back movement on the front wheels. A good test is to park the car on the level with the handbrake on. Stick your foot on one of the front wheels near the top and try to roll it backwards and forwards. It should move a bit but no more than a few mm. Mine were moving about 20-30mm. Replaced the bushes on both sides and it made the car much better :driving:

Had mine done also, a vast improvement. :thumbsup:
 
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