Monkey mans power adder

[Machine monkey]

tell us more about how you feel about the steering?? really interested in that feedback!!

ohhhh man gutted to hear about the fueling issues!! but WOW what an effort!! incredible tbh!

I have only driven the car about 5 miles. But as soon as the car moved it felt right. The weight was right positive communitive. Before it just felt woolly?! Sure you knew what the wheels where doing but know you KNOW! And my alignment was way off and the steering wheel at a funny angle due to replacing some other bits and having suspension stuff out.

And the clutch is exactly the same. Duel mass is an added layer of protection. A bit squishy if that makes sense? Now it’s positive. It’s like a clutch delay on steroids and 2 gym sessions a day for 6 months!! It’s very on off right now but i am sure when it beds in it will be great. Add to that how quick the engine revs now due to the light fly wheel. It’s made the car much more focused and better suited to me and what i wanted from my car.

It really feels like clutch bakes steering suspension. All the mods i have done are working together to be the car i wanted it to be. Obviously minus the big elephant in the room. It’s missing the extra go I wanted.
The piggy back would let us control timing but not fuel how we would want. And it’s just time to call it a day with the piggy back. I am speaking to some well know Tuners and some not so well known. But the likes of ESS can run boosted cars on stock ECUs no reason why I can’t? I just need to find the right person and the right way of controlling boost and it could be ok. I can afford this approach. But not a standalone ECU at 3k installed and tested and mapped!!

 

[MrPT]

Awesome. Despite the setbacks it’s still always great to read about your projects, Mat!

The steering change should let you get a lot more out of experimenting with front tyre pressures. Makes a massive difference on the M, I guess partially because of the heavier engine, but it’ll still be worth it on a 3L. Maybe 5psi between “driving on sand” and “bicycle tyres on concrete”. :driving:

 

[GuidoK]

And the clutch is exactly the same. Duel mass is an added layer of protection. A bit squishy if that makes sense?

I think thats more the conventional clutch instead of the BMW SAC clutch than the flywheel.
When I went to my Sachs race engineering clutch I had the same increase in feedback (although my clutch is not really on-off, its still very regulative although the bite point is much easier felt/to predict.

Do you have any gearbox chatter with your single mass?
I think you have a UUC setup? Do you know how heavy the flywheel is?

 

[Machine monkey]

And the clutch is exactly the same. Duel mass is an added layer of protection. A bit squishy if that makes sense?

I think thats more the conventional clutch instead of the BMW SAC clutch than the flywheel.
When I went to my Sachs race engineering clutch I had the same increase in feedback (although my clutch is not really on-off, its still very regulative although the bite point is much easier felt/to predict.

Do you have any gearbox chatter with your single mass?
I think you have a UUC setup? Do you know how heavy the flywheel is?

I can’t comment to much about chatter I have not driven it mush. And my only short drive was a bit sensory overload with all the changes. I didn’t notice any chatter but that’s not to say I wont latter. I am not bothered about that either. And it being a bit off on i was warned about this. And after 500miles or so it should be much more progressive. The flywheel weighs in at 8.5lbs apparently. It felt much lighter to the original.

Yes it’s a UUC set up.

 

[Machine monkey]

Awesome. Despite the setbacks it’s still always great to read about your projects, Mat!

The steering change should let you get a lot more out of experimenting with front tyre pressures. Makes a massive difference on the M, I guess partially because of the heavier engine, but it’ll still be worth it on a 3L. Maybe 5psi between “driving on sand” and “bicycle tyres on concrete”. :driving:

Good to know and I can’t wait to drive it and find out.

To be fair setbacks on things like this are expected. I was maybe a little naive not to expect these problems. I just hope i can fix them now. And not have to go back to NA and save for another year 18 months.

 

[ph001]

WOW! I'm a relatively newcomer to this forum (only got my Zed in Sep) so never saw any of this thread first time around but what can I say, what an incredible, awesome, crazy project. Love it to bits. I'm an electronics engineer and love tinkering so am completely in awe of what you have done here. Really sad to see it never quite got there with the mapping and tuning - totally understand your frustration there as have played with piggyback aftermarket ecu's myself a little in the past and they always gave major headaches.

I think you will find a great many of your problems will disappear with a proper custom standalone ecu - it's the only way you will be able to control everything to make it fuel properly. I have no idea how people like ESS get it to run right on the standard ECU.

So, keep your chin up mate, get saving and get the right ECU in there. Good luck with getting it all over the finish line, a privilege to read all your posts on this so far.

 

[Machine monkey]

WOW! I'm a relatively newcomer to this forum (only got my Zed in Sep) so never saw any of this thread first time around but what can I say, what an incredible, awesome, crazy project. Love it to bits. I'm an electronics engineer and love tinkering so am completely in awe of what you have done here. Really sad to see it never quite got there with the mapping and tuning - totally understand your frustration there as have played with piggyback aftermarket ecu's myself a little in the past and they always gave major headaches.

I think you will find a great many of your problems will disappear with a proper custom standalone ecu - it's the only way you will be able to control everything to make it fuel properly. I have no idea how people like ESS get it to run right on the standard ECU.

So, keep your chin up mate, get saving and get the right ECU in there. Good luck with getting it all over the finish line, a privilege to read all your posts on this so far.

Thanks buddy

Sounds like between us we could build some wild projects.

The piggyback is just a bad solution. When I started it was going to be a quick dirty eBay turbo build. After speaking to a guy yesterday. He thinks the standard ECU is a very powerful tool. And you just need to find someone who knows how to manipulate it. People that say it can’t be done (according to him) just don’t have the correct knowledge. I have made contact with the guy he recommended. His words again if it’s possible said person can do it.

But agreed a standalone is the best solution. Some of the newer stuff and higher end has can bus connectivity too. But i may be looking to run a standalone and the cars ECU in parallel if i go this route. Once i have saved up.

 

[Yorkie Z]

It sounds like a long on road Matt but keep plugging away
You're doing way more than most people even dream about doing to there cars.

 

[Machine monkey]

It sounds like a long on road Matt but keep plugging away
You're doing way more than most people even dream about doing to there cars.

And it’s for good reasons buddy! It’s aged me and it might still cost me my marriage!! :rofl: :rofl:

 

[mac27040]

Hi Matt, when i installed my supercharger kit i had to use a bit of software that created a file, i then had to email it to VF Engineering who altered it as i have forced induction and bigger injectors, i then reinstalled it, i'm using standard ecu.

 

[Monkeydonkeyratmagic]

Have you considered having an Omex Ecu? Have the existing file copied over to maintain regular functions and then the cars afrs mapped to run boost? Won't be cheap but should provide an all in one solution to getting it all running.

 

[Machine monkey]

Have you considered having an Omex Ecu? Have the existing file copied over to maintain regular functions and then the cars afrs mapped to run boost? Won't be cheap but should provide an all in one solution to getting it all running.

Hello fellow monkey tell me more? I shall google but I know nothing of them or it?

 

[Machine monkey]

Hi Matt, when i installed my supercharger kit i had to use a bit of software that created a file, i then had to email it to VF Engineering who altered it as i have forced induction and bigger injectors, i then reinstalled it, i'm using standard ecu.

Yeah there are company’s in the USA that will offer this service. But I am not sure I want to do it this way. VF have done research and tested on a dyno on road. With mine it’s a little unknown.

It is just a fuel and ignition map but so much could go wrong. But yes it proves that the ecu is capable of tuning for forced induction. I just need someone local to do it. Who can put it on a roiling road or road tune.

The way I see it there are some very clever electronic boost controllers. Where you can program how the boost comes in held and all sorts of cool stuff. I have also found out I can ditch the MAF and instal a MAP sensor with a little trickery. And the ecu will recognise it and work fine.

Fingers crossed evolve or one of the other people I have messaged can help.

 

[Steve84N]

Omex or Pectel were the choices of ECU when I had a Fiesta and people were putting 2.0 engines in them with throttle bodies.

 

[mac27040]

Try Northampton Motorsport, I used them years ago and they were brilliant

 

[Monkeydonkeyratmagic]

Have you considered having an Omex Ecu? Have the existing file copied over to maintain regular functions and then the cars afrs mapped to run boost? Won't be cheap but should provide an all in one solution to getting it all running.

Hello fellow monkey tell me more? I shall google but I know nothing of them or it?

Hail the Monkey.
http://omextechnology.co.uk/page8.html

This is probably the one needed. They do a lower spec model for up to 8cyl this is up to v12. But they do harnesses and all sorts. Quite a few company work on them as well. I haven't looked at prices but they are reputed to be very good. Have cone across a few over the year being run in 300 bhp Clios and civics.

 

[ph001]

Have you considered having an Omex Ecu? Have the existing file copied over to maintain regular functions and then the cars afrs mapped to run boost? Won't be cheap but should provide an all in one solution to getting it all running.

Hello fellow monkey tell me more? I shall google but I know nothing of them or it?

Hail the Monkey.
http://omextechnology.co.uk/page8.html

This is probably the one needed. They do a lower spec model for up to 8cyl this is up to v12. But they do harnesses and all sorts. Quite a few company work on them as well. I haven't looked at prices but they are reputed to be very good. Have cone across a few over the year being run in 300 bhp Clios and civics.

That is amazing value for money at £1k all in!! I used Motec in the past which was good but expensive. It fell down on getting traction control to work but I see they have a newer model out now in the form of the GPR-M130 which seems to handle traction control a lot better. It's still not dynamic stability control of course but as good as you will get http://www.motec.com/gpr-m130/gpr-m130-ov/ Bet you won't get much change out of £3k for one.

The other option is something like the Omex and then a Racelogic traction control bolt on. Easy enough but obviously added expense.

 

[GuidoK]

^do those ecu's also do canbus integration etc so you can use your stock speedo and tacho, coolant temp etc?
I also sometimes think about an aftermarket ecu (because:much better tunable), but if I see real world implementations of people its usually in very spartan cars without any luxury (basically empty shells with an engine), and not luxury fully equipped german roadsters.
Alarm (EWS) integration & insurance might also be an issue.

 

[Monkeydonkeyratmagic]

^do those ecu's also do canbus integration etc so you can use your stock speedo and tacho, coolant temp etc?
I also sometimes think about an aftermarket ecu (because:much better tunable), but if I see real world implementations of people its usually in very spartan cars without any luxury (basically empty shells with an engine), and not luxury fully equipped german roadsters.
Alarm (EWS) integration & insurance might also be an issue.

Yep. The top models are fully speccd. They do basic ones for race cars that don't have any mod cons like no abs and TCS etc but the better models are more for engine swap jobs and boost upgrades. I was tempted to try and squeeze the Focus ST engine into my fiesta st but the fiesta actually cannot accommodate the ECU due to some weird mounting issue so would require an Omex or similar to get it running. Would literally be a clone of a Focus ECU to Omex, code fiesta keys to unlock the car and functions on it and bang off I go for a mapping session after making some changes to it.

 

[Mister T]

Plug and play replacement for the factory DME:

https://www.scs-delta.co.uk/product-page/bmw-e46-330