Pbondar said:
Craig posted on the Dumfries and Galloway post last night complaining that the people who had expressed an interest had been anonymised..as well as unsubstantiated issues relating to this being a majority FB set of people.
This is not true..off the 49 instances of people expressing an interest over 6 runs only 6 instances is of a person who is not currently a Z4 forum member. He in fact is not a member of any groups and wishes to remain anonymous for unconnected personal reasons.
As far as I’m aware it’s not a written requirement for a person to attend to a meeting that is advertised on the Z4 Forum.
Many events are cross posted across many social media sites.
He stated he was going to complain to the moderators.
I received this comment from Sp3ctre today “ I removed these last night as I have had complaints”
Following complaints from certain individuals that they had been harassed by Craig for not expressing an interest in his runs, I took the decision to remove their personal data. Hence the anonymised data.
I’ve written today to the moderators explaining the context and background to these actions.
I’ve not had any reply from moderators save that they will look at it.
To Reply to those allegations....
What I Posted was that by Peter reducing the names to a Single Letter,it was all very Cloak and Dagger,and against the open and inclusive nature of this forum,and its many meets,for many years. And said on the d&g thread,that mods should have a look at its nature.
I am not alone in my thinking,that it was done to exclude others,or keep it "secret" who was attending.
More likely,so that if I happen to talk to or pm those same people, that they would then learn I was Barred from attending Peters runs,which is Every Run in Scotland practically,for next year!
I Did Not Ask for the Threads to be wiped, just to be made more Open and Honest.
Others may well have Complained too,without my knowledge, I can't answer that.
Regards the Private Fb group. Peter text me when I asked about my lack of access to it(I e,no access), and was told by him that the Private group/WhatsApp group was set up because People had told him that they wanted to discuss meets in Private, as they "didn't like me or didn't want to be associated with any runs I was on".
That was quite hurtful, tbh.
While that may be true in some cases,looking at some of the names who were down for Peter's upcoming meets...
Stuart Bell(fb member(afik)....I have never met
Argyll Andy...I have never met
John Thompson(fb member,afik)....I have never met!
Martin Palmer.(fb)..I have never met(although I know his son,a very nice guy,and ex z owner)
Stuart /Peebles z4,met a couple of times,nice guy.
Simon and Nick,both at recent Runs of mine.(and known for quite a few years,both very nice guys)
Moz ,known for years ,and not always agreed on everything, but then who does,and we still enjoy each others company, as far as I am aware(and who attended this years National, in August.
So who doesn't like me/hates me/or doesn't want to be associated with me,Peter??
From those I have exampled above!
Very hurtful,and I told you as much!
Other forum members disagree with you on that.
As said,I didn't say I was going to complain to the Mods,just posted that the mods should look at the Secretive/divisive nature of it,which I posted on the d&g thread.
If they then chose to remove it,then that was their decision,Not mine.
This forum,and meets,should be open and honest,inclusive for all,that was the point of my post!
"You set up private WhatsApp group"..." Following Complaints that I Had Harassed other Forum members to Attend my meets"
What utter rubbish.,..
Like others have done,over years of meets,I post Threads for All to see,And also pm previous or regular attendees of my meets,to bring to their attention when things are on in the future.....as some regular meet goers don't come on here very often.
Hardly harassment Peter. What utter bs!
Peters actions on this has been described by a other forum members I chat to,as pure and simply Bullying!!
Its been quite clear by his actions,he is Primarily the one who wants to Run All the Scottish meets,without any input from me.
So,I throw back at some of the comments posted,by Peters actions,I am now not able to attend any of the Scottish fb group,WhatsApp group or any of the Forum meets that Peter has organised for next year.
Which,happen to Include Runs I have done myself over the past 5 years or so,and we're in the Planning for next year also!!
Which means I am excluded,by the nature of his actions.
As said by others,and I agree,this is pure Bully boy tactics!!
Forum meets can be organised by anyone,but in Scotland,we have always had a Principal member to sort things out,and others contributed in co-ordinattion with those.
By 2015 many of those had moved onto Porsches,etc and the relevant car make meets.
So,when the last person organising them changed car and couldn't commit ,I agreed(with him) to do them in his place.
Over the past 2-3 years,Peter,Richie and Myself all discussed these meets,pre season,so as to have a coordinated effort.
But its been quite clear they want to push me out completely.
Peters actions of late back this up.
He has said I Harass people to attend my meets...NOT True.
He says those attending his meets Dislike/hate me/don't want to be associated with me....(in the main) NOT True ,as evidenced above.....
I am sure most of these people wouldn't have continued to attend the few runs I managed to do this year,for obvious reasons(covid), if that were True.
I am also fairly confident that some of those people wouldn't be aware I was barred from all current/future Peter Bondar meets.
I know several forum members who weren't aware of it,prior to asking me why I wasn't putting my name down for them?!
Again,this is just total,blatant bullying,and I make no Apologies for defending myself.
During the Covid 19 Pandemic,myself and others,continued to Arrange meets which were already in planning,etc and had names down.
Peter Bondar became Very Vocal on the fact that we should All have Stopped organising meets/Drives as a result,and when we chose not to (as, to be fair,nobody knew when it started ,how long it would go on for,etc)
He voiced his distain for this in no uncertain terms,especially towards myself.
As it happened, we managed to get a couple done,when rules allowed.
What I find very ironic, is that,Peter himself then went onto arrange meets on fb,in September, October, etc putting invites out in Private,again,so as to exclude myself,and possibly others.
Very Hypocritical, tbh.
Some described his actions re distain for those organising meets during various lockdown restrictions, which are mainly still Ongoing, and continued insistence that we all Cancel everything, that he was acting like The Covid Police!!
I have been in Isolation during this(March to August,due to my health),and had two friends ,and one of their wife's,suffer very badly from it indeed,so I was taking it serious.
We all abided by rules in place at the time,so why be so forthright in his feelings towards me for doing so.
The reason myself and others class it as Bullying is because what else do you call Victimising someone, to exclude them from every aspect of z4 meets in this forum and other groups, then Barr them from the other Scottish z4 meets/group,based on reasons,that I have stated above,are pretty much not True?
I will be honest,the past couple of years haven't been that great with my health,etc and This Forum is a Big part of what I enjoy in Life,and for the actions of Peter, and one or two other people ,to make me feel even worse,and feel that I can't even look toward to meeting up with people on here for a nice drive out,etc is pretty s**t,tbh
Now that the other side of the story of these events,other than Peters version,are out there,then I Hope people can make an Informed Opinion, Before Posting replies Full of venom?!
Its a real shame it has come to this,but all I will say,Prior to the verbal abuse I got from Pbondar re my organising of runs in the year we have had,I never barred him from coming to any of my meets.
They were open,and out there for anyone to see/join.
Thanks for reading, if you have.
All the best to you all, and maybe I will get to meet some of you in the future,for those I haven't yet met
I’ve not been observant enough to notice if it’s happened before
oh no it isn't 
