Migrant crises
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Ronk, what do you define as help? Do you mean let them in or help them there?
Are the riots you see now if they don't get their way in Hungary an example for what will happen if they are in the UK and they don't get their houses and jobs quickly enough?
We see this now with second generation migrants from Asia where they feel no part of the UK nor of their original country.
Are the riots you see now if they don't get their way in Hungary an example for what will happen if they are in the UK and they don't get their houses and jobs quickly enough?
We see this now with second generation migrants from Asia where they feel no part of the UK nor of their original country.
TitanTim said:
Whatever the situation in Syria, it's a sovereign nation. Those attacks happened within its borders, and were effectively 'their problem'. After Iraq I'm still fundamentally opposed to us interfering in other counties' affairs on the ground within their borders, especially in that region. There was outrage expressed' but what would you gave us do, invade them too ?
The people in those camps are not migrants. They are refugees. There's a big difference. And now the problem is not in Syria, it's on the borders of the EU, which we are a part of whether you (we) like it or not. They need help, but there's no overarching policy defining what that help should be... and I don't know what the answer is.
No !
Bing said:
Know what you’re saying Bing but I don’t see Syria as any different to Libya and Iraq where the regime is killing its own people and in this case its now affecting the west directly so in my book even more reason to step in and put a stop to it. I also see the people trying to get into Europe as refugees of a conflict rather than migrants or asylum seekers.
I kinda lost any sympathy with the Migrants/refugees kicking off yesterday chanting no camp etc, I still think the EU should be concentrating on providing better facilities at the already established UN refugee camps outside Libya where there is a safe haven and where these people are close to their home country and can return once its safer to do so. I don’t see a home for these people in the UK or Germany or any other European country or providing a mass migration solution to other countries. What exactly are we going to do with these people once they enter the UK, house them? Give them benefits or what? I also noticed yesterday at the railway station again a lot of the crowds there were gangs of young men rather than families, it still smacks to me that amongst the genuine families fleeing a conflict there are a lot of people who want to gain access to the UK or Germany as they see those countries as a soft touch with the perception of free handouts etc etc. I may be wrong but…….
Tim.
That lot in Hungrary and Calais should be told in no uncertain terms - asylum where you are now or deportation back to where you came from.
The United Nations should get off its sorry arse and start doing what it used to do - bringing countries together to agree to take quantities of refugees (not migrants). For me that means people in camps in Turkey not people on a boat. Countries in that region should be playing a much more active role (Saudi Arabia, UAE) and some of the African countries should be dealing with Eritrea and Sudan.
And lastly it's a funny old world where people have been turning their back on tens of thousands of massacred children for years in Syria and then one dead baby picture on a beach in Turkey and all of sudden everyone wants a solution. Sorry but that ship sailed and everyone who didn't want to know about Syria can't start having a humanitarian conscience now. You're too late.
The United Nations should get off its sorry arse and start doing what it used to do - bringing countries together to agree to take quantities of refugees (not migrants). For me that means people in camps in Turkey not people on a boat. Countries in that region should be playing a much more active role (Saudi Arabia, UAE) and some of the African countries should be dealing with Eritrea and Sudan.
And lastly it's a funny old world where people have been turning their back on tens of thousands of massacred children for years in Syria and then one dead baby picture on a beach in Turkey and all of sudden everyone wants a solution. Sorry but that ship sailed and everyone who didn't want to know about Syria can't start having a humanitarian conscience now. You're too late.
This is where it becomes difficult and people start to get worried.jimmybell said:
How many do you help before your country is badly affected with housing problems and no jobs.
At the moment I have seen friends struggle to get jobs where foreigners seem to find work easily.
Is it going to get worse with more people coming in?
Someone already mentioned that without jobs will the crime rate rise with people desperate for money.
simonlpearce
Senior member
dans6490 said:
That's shocking footage. Im sure not all are the same but to deny mothers and children food and water, and literally throwing aid back in the faces of those trying to help is shocking :x
It's this kind of behaviour that makes people say they are not really desperate, not really grateful and won't integrate very well. I really do believe these people need help but I'm really not sure that granting asylum en mass is good for anybody concerned. I think the immigrants expectations of life in the chosen countries are vastly, vastly over-inflated and will we then be seeing scenes worse than this.
This is the reaction to being given food and drink. What would the reaction be to being told there are no homes available?
This is the reaction to being given food and drink. What would the reaction be to being told there are no homes available?
Let's be honest. If they are in the EU trying to cross from one country to another they cease to become refugees and become economic migrants and should be transported back to UN organised and funded refugee camps dotted around the Mediterranean or deported if they aren't nationals from Syria.
original guvnor said:
This exactly and it cheeses me off Cameron relenting and now saying we will take in 4000 or whatever the figure is because he's more worried about what the rest of his EU playmates i.e. France and Germany will think of him. We should say no and stick to it.
If the Migrant map is correct then Saudi Arabia take one step forward.
Tim.
original guvnor said:
I think this would be what normally happens, but in much smaller numbers so nobody would notice or report on it.. however, as the UN hasn't done its usual thing and set up any refugee camps, the default destination for all these people is going to be Europe.
We're complaining that they're heading this way en mass, but we've not set up an alternative like we usually would, i suspect.
I think Cameron has got this exactly right - we'll take more refugees, but we'll take them from the refugee camps that have been set up in safe havens outside of Syria and not from those that have made their way across the Med. Makes perfect sense. It allows us to properly process genuine refugees - and I believe we have previously granted access to the UK from those camps to those who have suffered violence and torture - it encourages genuine cases to make their way to safe refuge and discourages those who only seek to come here for purely economic reasons - pitch up in Europe without having been assessed as a genuine refugee and be turned away. We spend more on foreign aid than anyone per capita (and in real terms £300 million more than Germany) and it seems to me that this approach makes good use of that money, rather than throwing open the floodgates to allow uncontrolled migration of folk who like it or not will not integrate successfully and will be a source of social problems months and years down the line.
Mad Professor
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There but for the grace of God -we should give as many refugees as possible homes and a welcome here in the UK .
There are many well educated and skilled young people among these refugees who would contribute to the UK economy and add to the cultural diversity -in fact they will probably offer a lot more than the hordes of feckless indigenous benefit scroungers in the UK who want to sponge of tax payers and give nothing back . No doubt it will take a lot of education , time and money to integrate them , but it will be worth it the long term as i feel sure they will give a lot back in return .
There are many well educated and skilled young people among these refugees who would contribute to the UK economy and add to the cultural diversity -in fact they will probably offer a lot more than the hordes of feckless indigenous benefit scroungers in the UK who want to sponge of tax payers and give nothing back . No doubt it will take a lot of education , time and money to integrate them , but it will be worth it the long term as i feel sure they will give a lot back in return .