Migrant crises
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we should not let any more come in at any cost enough is enough
The first country that the immigrant arrives in should be taking the immigrant. I say immigrant as if they were truly asylum seekers, this problem wouldn't be at our door.
If we started sending any migrants that did get here back to France, I bet France would soon stop allowing migrants into their country and this would pass on down the chain of countries.
Try getting on a bus that is full, or a plane, or a taxi. We are full, there are not enough houses, jobs, hospital beds, doctors appointments, etc for people that already live here.
If we weren't such a soft touch, they wouldn't want to come here, we are almost our own worst enemy.
It's about time we stopped behaving like a big powerful country and more like the small island that we really are.
If we started sending any migrants that did get here back to France, I bet France would soon stop allowing migrants into their country and this would pass on down the chain of countries.
Try getting on a bus that is full, or a plane, or a taxi. We are full, there are not enough houses, jobs, hospital beds, doctors appointments, etc for people that already live here.
If we weren't such a soft touch, they wouldn't want to come here, we are almost our own worst enemy.
It's about time we stopped behaving like a big powerful country and more like the small island that we really are.
its a woeful situation that seem's to be heading downhill quite rapidly
The scenes at the railway stations in Hungary are pretty shocking
The current situation in Syria & Iraq appears to be a major factor so for that we can only thank the western governments who went in to remove the dictators , furked off & left the extremists to flourish
Grim times & even grimmer prospects for all affected
The scenes at the railway stations in Hungary are pretty shocking
The current situation in Syria & Iraq appears to be a major factor so for that we can only thank the western governments who went in to remove the dictators , furked off & left the extremists to flourish
Grim times & even grimmer prospects for all affected
pvr said:
Indeed. Surely if it were purely asylum they were seeking, then the last place to come would be the UK. Personally, (if it were me) I would go for somewhere with a warmer climate, that would definitely be high on the list. Oh and somewhere closer would be better.... like Turkey. Safe, better climate and closer to the country of origin.
Must be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that makes them risk their lives coming north through Europe.
The issue is that we are the "Promised Land". Its far too easy to play our system and get the handouts, hence why they dont want to stop in France , etc.
What I dont understand is how this " being in Europe " nonsence works. I'm an electrician by trade and recall a few years back when we had to change the good old Red & Black cables for Brown & Blue to "harmonise" with Europe. (We have one of the safest electrical systems in the World, yet change to follow others!) They say change and we do, as it all has to be uniform ! Well how come everything isnt uniform across Europe ? It seems that us being in Europe means that we do what we're told and every other F*****r does what they please !
Migration & Immigration figures get quoted by the Govt as a net movement of +260,000 (inward) for example with 240,000 leaving the UK per annum and 500,000 entering ( *not exact figures), so not too bad really - "just" a +260,00 gain !!!
What they dont include in their statistics is that the 240,000 leaving are mostly successful 40% tax payers who are moving for a better lifestyle, better climate and to pay less Tax elsewhere. The 500,000 coming in are mostly unemployed or low paid immigrants, washing cars, driving taxi's and labouring on building sites etc who take more out of society financially than they put in.
This is why the infrastructure cant support it all. I wonder what the average UK citizen costs society by expecting the services of schools, libraries, hospitals, Police Forces etc ? Whatever it is, I would suspect that the tax paid on a £15k annual salary isnt enough and that the break even point would be nearer earnings of £25k to £30k minimum . Therefore if those leaving the UK are the bigger earners and Fat-cats, the low paid immigrants just arent going to balance the books.
I agree that the Poles and Romanians, etc may be prepared to work when the get here, but I suspect that with the first £10k of earnings tax free and then 20% tax on the remaining 'declared' earnings of £5k isnt enough,to pay back the Govt, especially taking into account the additional Child benefit, Tax Credits and free school dinners, etc they all receive. ( and the fact they seem to like 'cash' industries...)
I'm not against immigration (honestly !) but at the end of the day we are an Island with limited space and food resources. Match those going out with those coming in on a decent points system and I'm all for it.
Yes the pictures are sad, but on a smaller scale, you could house and support 15 immigrants in your 3 bed semi, and the UK is the same, just on a larger scale.
- One out, one in will do me ! - Simple Maths.
What I dont understand is how this " being in Europe " nonsence works. I'm an electrician by trade and recall a few years back when we had to change the good old Red & Black cables for Brown & Blue to "harmonise" with Europe. (We have one of the safest electrical systems in the World, yet change to follow others!) They say change and we do, as it all has to be uniform ! Well how come everything isnt uniform across Europe ? It seems that us being in Europe means that we do what we're told and every other F*****r does what they please !
Migration & Immigration figures get quoted by the Govt as a net movement of +260,000 (inward) for example with 240,000 leaving the UK per annum and 500,000 entering ( *not exact figures), so not too bad really - "just" a +260,00 gain !!!
What they dont include in their statistics is that the 240,000 leaving are mostly successful 40% tax payers who are moving for a better lifestyle, better climate and to pay less Tax elsewhere. The 500,000 coming in are mostly unemployed or low paid immigrants, washing cars, driving taxi's and labouring on building sites etc who take more out of society financially than they put in.
This is why the infrastructure cant support it all. I wonder what the average UK citizen costs society by expecting the services of schools, libraries, hospitals, Police Forces etc ? Whatever it is, I would suspect that the tax paid on a £15k annual salary isnt enough and that the break even point would be nearer earnings of £25k to £30k minimum . Therefore if those leaving the UK are the bigger earners and Fat-cats, the low paid immigrants just arent going to balance the books.
I agree that the Poles and Romanians, etc may be prepared to work when the get here, but I suspect that with the first £10k of earnings tax free and then 20% tax on the remaining 'declared' earnings of £5k isnt enough,to pay back the Govt, especially taking into account the additional Child benefit, Tax Credits and free school dinners, etc they all receive. ( and the fact they seem to like 'cash' industries...)
I'm not against immigration (honestly !) but at the end of the day we are an Island with limited space and food resources. Match those going out with those coming in on a decent points system and I'm all for it.
Yes the pictures are sad, but on a smaller scale, you could house and support 15 immigrants in your 3 bed semi, and the UK is the same, just on a larger scale.
- One out, one in will do me ! - Simple Maths.
Migration crisis what will change to stop this issue ..................I cannot see why this issue will end if we accept 10,000 people
Why do these people move is it really about escaping tyranny? Or is it a lifestyle choice?
I accept that a number of these people need support but I believe most of these people are economic migrants not refugees. Look at the TV pictures on clothing, luggage and general health of these people .
Perhaps its an issue because the Mediterranean has a better sea state during the summer months so these people will take the risk with their families?
Why do these people move is it really about escaping tyranny? Or is it a lifestyle choice?
I accept that a number of these people need support but I believe most of these people are economic migrants not refugees. Look at the TV pictures on clothing, luggage and general health of these people .
Perhaps its an issue because the Mediterranean has a better sea state during the summer months so these people will take the risk with their families?
Jasey said:Hopefully this poor soul will push the politicians to find a resolution to this problem
That is a pitiful and tragic sight but was the need to escape driven by that family tyranny or lifestyle? Politicians can only do what we ask of them.
Tragic
Teresa May spoke a lot of sense. The EU created the problem with the Schengen Agreement. Restoration of border controls within the EU would dramatically reduce the problem. If you had to cross about half a dozen borders before you got to Calais your chances of being there would be a lot less. Once that news spread you'd find a lot less people would be prepared to make the journey across the Med in the first place.