Migrant crises
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I have stopped going across at the moment and am flying first thing in the morning instead of taking the tunnel, it is just getting too bad there. Driving in Calais feels like driving in Africa at the moment along the motorways there.
Amazing that in the second World War, the Germans could create proper barriers - so why can't it be done now?
Speaking of the Germans who have their own immigration problem, their solution was to declare those Eastern European countries as "safe" which cut the immigration numbers hugely.
Amazing that in the second World War, the Germans could create proper barriers - so why can't it be done now?
Speaking of the Germans who have their own immigration problem, their solution was to declare those Eastern European countries as "safe" which cut the immigration numbers hugely.
Have to say i'm more than a bit surprised by how many people see the Fench to blame for the situation .
Anyone remember the refugee/asylum centre in Sangatte that the labour government succesfully managed to close down in order to stop the flow of migrants flocking to the port , haha , like that was ever goning to solve the problem . to quote Mr blunkett
"I am very pleased that Sangatte is now closed to new entrants, 10 days earlier than planned.
"I have reassured the French government that we are determined to pass the NIA Bill, which forms our part of the broad-ranging agreement to tackle illegal immigration from northern France - of which the closure of Sangatte is an important part.
"From today, the Sangatte centre will no longer draw would-be illegal immigrants to northern France, and traffickers will no longer be able to use it to ply their evil trade in human life."
"This progress demonstrates the importance of measures to radically reform the asylum system through the NIA Bill, which is returning to the House of Commons this afternoon," said Mr Blunkett.
"Stopping the flow into the centre is an essential first step in managing its population, allowing us to determine exactly who is there and where they are from."
I think its safe to say that under Labour our \borders became non existent
The current storming of the tunnel isn't a new thing either , go back 15 years & the situation was the same with hundreds stopped every night trying to enter the tunnel complex illegally .
The simple answer is remove the reasons for wanting to get into the UK & you remove the problem.
Whatever is spoken or written about procedures, application rejections blahblah we all know the truth which is growing problems with our infastructures like schools,hospitals,prisons,roads, housing etc
As for the Operation Stack farce ? just shows that whoever is in government when it comes to tackling real issues quickly & effectively the UK has a capacity to be woefully inept
Anyone remember the refugee/asylum centre in Sangatte that the labour government succesfully managed to close down in order to stop the flow of migrants flocking to the port , haha , like that was ever goning to solve the problem . to quote Mr blunkett
"I am very pleased that Sangatte is now closed to new entrants, 10 days earlier than planned.
"I have reassured the French government that we are determined to pass the NIA Bill, which forms our part of the broad-ranging agreement to tackle illegal immigration from northern France - of which the closure of Sangatte is an important part.
"From today, the Sangatte centre will no longer draw would-be illegal immigrants to northern France, and traffickers will no longer be able to use it to ply their evil trade in human life."
"This progress demonstrates the importance of measures to radically reform the asylum system through the NIA Bill, which is returning to the House of Commons this afternoon," said Mr Blunkett.
"Stopping the flow into the centre is an essential first step in managing its population, allowing us to determine exactly who is there and where they are from."
I think its safe to say that under Labour our \borders became non existent
The current storming of the tunnel isn't a new thing either , go back 15 years & the situation was the same with hundreds stopped every night trying to enter the tunnel complex illegally .
The simple answer is remove the reasons for wanting to get into the UK & you remove the problem.
Whatever is spoken or written about procedures, application rejections blahblah we all know the truth which is growing problems with our infastructures like schools,hospitals,prisons,roads, housing etc
As for the Operation Stack farce ? just shows that whoever is in government when it comes to tackling real issues quickly & effectively the UK has a capacity to be woefully inept
I have to say the French ARE responsible for the Stacking currently happening as the Ferry port workers are on strike and last thing I saw was them throwing tyres into the road, setting them on fire and creating a dangerous blockade.
Unfortunately the UK have no say in the French governments attempts to get them back to work, it's something we've heard little about.
Unfortunately we all know the UK is seen as a meal ticket to these immigrants. They can't understand why they can't be allowed in. Where do they expect to go? How will they pay their way? People are in genuine need of a safe place to live but some are fleeing their countries because as we've seen before they are criminals and once they've made it and commited a hideous crime they can't be deported because of their 'human rights' but it's alright for them to steal, rape or murder and interfere with other people's 'human rights'.
I see people who can barely speak English begging on the streets, selling the big issue etc and I actually scratch my head. They've come to this country and end up begging on the streets, that's not right.
Unfortunately the UK have no say in the French governments attempts to get them back to work, it's something we've heard little about.
Unfortunately we all know the UK is seen as a meal ticket to these immigrants. They can't understand why they can't be allowed in. Where do they expect to go? How will they pay their way? People are in genuine need of a safe place to live but some are fleeing their countries because as we've seen before they are criminals and once they've made it and commited a hideous crime they can't be deported because of their 'human rights' but it's alright for them to steal, rape or murder and interfere with other people's 'human rights'.
I see people who can barely speak English begging on the streets, selling the big issue etc and I actually scratch my head. They've come to this country and end up begging on the streets, that's not right.
Angie4m said:
Hypothetically remove the barrier that is the Channel & France would have no migrants gathered at Calais or anyhwere else
The strikes i agree are out of order completely but unless the French have a Maggie Thatcher to break their union mentallity then they will forever be free to do it as & when .
RE selling The Big issue ? Its THE easiest way bar none to gain a NI number & therefore plunder our welfare system :wink:
mr wilks said:
Very true, if we didn't have the water between us and a barrier in the way of a border force then yes they'd be here already. Not sure they'd get this far north, it'd be too cold for them.
They just seem to be forever striking at the moment and it's just taking the pi$$ now. It will be effecting not just UK hauliers but those across Europe too. It wouldn't surprise me if other countries start stamping their feet soon.
Well I didn't realise that you would get a NI number for selling it but come to think of it it would probably be needed. All makes sense now.
Well we could take the passports off those seeking to fight with IS and give them to a migrant who wants to be here?
For once, and I really hate to say this, I think the French foreign minister hit the nail on the head last week when he said that Britain has only itself to blame due to it's current social security policies.
I am very pleased that things are starting to change with regard to the free handouts system that we seem to have been running. But we are not going be able to stop people coming for what they see as an easy new start until we change things and make living in this country a privilege that needs to be earned. I look at Australia as an example.
Unfortunately every time our politicians try a hardcore approach the numptys in Brussels start telling us "you can't do that it's against their human rights"
So unfortunate as it is, and again hard to say as I work in a company the trades extensively throughout Europe, I think we will only be able to change what is happening if we leave the EU. Saying that I am very concerned about the consequences if that occurs.
I am very pleased that things are starting to change with regard to the free handouts system that we seem to have been running. But we are not going be able to stop people coming for what they see as an easy new start until we change things and make living in this country a privilege that needs to be earned. I look at Australia as an example.
Unfortunately every time our politicians try a hardcore approach the numptys in Brussels start telling us "you can't do that it's against their human rights"
So unfortunate as it is, and again hard to say as I work in a company the trades extensively throughout Europe, I think we will only be able to change what is happening if we leave the EU. Saying that I am very concerned about the consequences if that occurs.
mr wilks said:Had to smirk at this in todays DM , "If Carlsberg did illegal immigrants ":wink:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3217064/Tory-councillor-apologises-posting-Facebook-photo-14-naked-women-boat-captioned-Carlsberg-did-illegal-immigrants.html
So obviously a fake, if Carlsburg really did illegal immigrants, they wouldn't have little pixellated bits.... :wink:
mr wilks said:Had to smirk at this in todays DM , "If Carlsberg did illegal immigrants "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3217064/Tory-councillor-apologises-posting-Facebook-photo-14-naked-women-boat-captioned-Carlsberg-did-illegal-immigrants.html
I'm glad I resurrected this thread now :lol:
Tim.
the first thing the migrants do is chuck all their paperwork away and play dumb, if we can't determine their origin we can't send them anywhere.
and also if we have such a comparatively safe, lovely and generous country why do they want to change it into the dump they came from?
and also if we have such a comparatively safe, lovely and generous country why do they want to change it into the dump they came from?
We have friends in Sweden and things are bad over there also. The migrants receive more benefits in Sweden than in soft touch Britain and there has been a lot of demonstrations and threats of violence that does not reach the media.
Funny that whilst most are no doubt in need and want a better life for which you can't blame them, I don't see many rich Muslim Countries offering their fellow Muslims asylum?
Funny that whilst most are no doubt in need and want a better life for which you can't blame them, I don't see many rich Muslim Countries offering their fellow Muslims asylum?
ronk said:
It also mentioned on the BBC News that the actual numbers isn't that great compared to mingrant crises in past years. I have to admit to having mixed feelings, I can understand the fleeing from persecution, war and seeking asylum etc but are these people in their native country in any actual danger or is it they've heard EU countries are a soft touch and think they will try their luck. What annoys me is these people think they can waltz into other countries as they see fit. I think the only solution is treating migrants as individual cases and whether they actually have an asylum case. The problem is resources to do this and if its not in place then I'm afraid these people should be repelled. I think mass migration that isn't controlled can quite easily lead to anarchy.
Tim.