Migrant crises
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Well it's OUR border control in France and not the French. It could be moved back to the UK but that would cause delayed once people arrive back in the UK. They can also hopefully 'detect' the immigrants before they make it out of France and into the UK which means we don't have to then process them, go through the whole asylum process which would be a consequence of moving the control back into the UK. The fact the French don't do it themselves shows how much they don't give two hoots.
You do realise that even if a migrant sneaks onto a lorry and the driver is unaware and they are found the driver can be fined thousands and when I say thousands I mean like £40k plus!
No we shouldn't be letting them in. They see it as their right to come here with F all and expect to be given everything. We can barely if at all cope with the number of people already claiming benefits in this country. We have a housing crisis and letting more people in will only add to this.
I can't see why the French have allowed them to set up camp and just expect them to get into the UK so it's no longer their problem. Considering they don't always come across as a 'tolerant' country with regards to race I'm surprised. Especially after some of the actions of the migrants towards the French people a few weeks ago.
However the French need to be taking a stand with regards to these strikes and as great as the Euro Tunnel is, if it gets any worse I can actually see it being closed up to try and stop the migrants using it as a walk way to the UK.
You do realise that even if a migrant sneaks onto a lorry and the driver is unaware and they are found the driver can be fined thousands and when I say thousands I mean like £40k plus!
No we shouldn't be letting them in. They see it as their right to come here with F all and expect to be given everything. We can barely if at all cope with the number of people already claiming benefits in this country. We have a housing crisis and letting more people in will only add to this.
I can't see why the French have allowed them to set up camp and just expect them to get into the UK so it's no longer their problem. Considering they don't always come across as a 'tolerant' country with regards to race I'm surprised. Especially after some of the actions of the migrants towards the French people a few weeks ago.
However the French need to be taking a stand with regards to these strikes and as great as the Euro Tunnel is, if it gets any worse I can actually see it being closed up to try and stop the migrants using it as a walk way to the UK.
Turning into a massive issue and one which is hitting my company.
Control over the amount of new citizens we admit ( and usually pay for to a certain extent) has to be kept. So opening the borders more than we have to under our European membership is vital to the direction and progress our country takes.
However on the other hand the sights we see on the TV with the camps in France are clearly not ideal from anyone's point of view.
The point I think that is relevant is that until there is agreement between all European countries on a combined approach to the problem we have to remain an island as many European countries currently have a move them on through approach as Britain is the ultimate goal with our historical easy / humanitarian stance to aid.
This may soon change as the direction of our social policies change and the access to our benifit system becomes harder but at the moment I think our government cannot relent.
I agree that France could be doing more but aren't for the very reason that they are trying to provoke a reaction. I think the reaction in a commercial sense may well be to their detriment and advantage other countries for example Holland, as other trade routes are explored into Europe. This certainly works from the North of Britain.
A difficult problem with no easy, popular answer which is why it has come to the sorry state it has!
Control over the amount of new citizens we admit ( and usually pay for to a certain extent) has to be kept. So opening the borders more than we have to under our European membership is vital to the direction and progress our country takes.
However on the other hand the sights we see on the TV with the camps in France are clearly not ideal from anyone's point of view.
The point I think that is relevant is that until there is agreement between all European countries on a combined approach to the problem we have to remain an island as many European countries currently have a move them on through approach as Britain is the ultimate goal with our historical easy / humanitarian stance to aid.
This may soon change as the direction of our social policies change and the access to our benifit system becomes harder but at the moment I think our government cannot relent.
I agree that France could be doing more but aren't for the very reason that they are trying to provoke a reaction. I think the reaction in a commercial sense may well be to their detriment and advantage other countries for example Holland, as other trade routes are explored into Europe. This certainly works from the North of Britain.
A difficult problem with no easy, popular answer which is why it has come to the sorry state it has!
It couldn't come at a worse time with the indication that as early as next July we could have a EU referendum. If this continues and the EU try to force us to open our border you can see people making a rash decision on EU membership.
Something that may hurt the haulage companies already caught up in all this.
Something that may hurt the haulage companies already caught up in all this.
Lets cut to the chase , UK is seen as the place for easy money to all who make it so stop that & end the constant desire to get here .
Offer "asylum" in centres built properly to hold those who make it on the basis that they will have a shelter & food but thats it , no chance of cash handouts & no chance of working here .
The world is in a mess that's for sure & makes you hanker back to when the middle east "squabbled" between themselves & the west's biggest worry was Saddam
Offer "asylum" in centres built properly to hold those who make it on the basis that they will have a shelter & food but thats it , no chance of cash handouts & no chance of working here .
The world is in a mess that's for sure & makes you hanker back to when the middle east "squabbled" between themselves & the west's biggest worry was Saddam
I dont have much compassion for any immigrants as I feel the country is not doing well enough to support everybody who comes here.
When there is a lack of housing, jobs and people relying on foodbanks its not a good idea to try to support others from other countries.
Then there is where do you draw the line? Do you let in 1500, 15,000, 15,000,000?
We have to look after ourselves first for a change.
When there is a lack of housing, jobs and people relying on foodbanks its not a good idea to try to support others from other countries.
Then there is where do you draw the line? Do you let in 1500, 15,000, 15,000,000?
We have to look after ourselves first for a change.
I live in Maidstone, where they close the M20 at J8 for operation stack, and through which a huge amount of coast-bound traffic diverts onto the A20. The motorway has been closed for something like 26 days out of the last 44 or so. It's a continual nightmare right now. Can't imagine what it must be like to sit in a truck inching along 20 miles of motorway for hours on end. The French need to get a fucking grip, as does the rest of Europe...and our government. The conditions the migrants are living in are less than pleasant, but that doesn't mean we should let them in. Nobody takes responsibility for them but us, if/when when they do manage to get here, and we bear the cost in full. I find it staggering that it is so hard to protect an international border that is effectively just a train station. Thank f**k for the channel and the fact we're an island. Mini rant over.
a number of issues really but my concerns are mainly to do with how the french are letting so many into their country for them to get to calais in the first place...... bloody surrender monkeys! and then letting them run riot in calais to set up camps and cause chaos and crime. desperate people will resort to desperate measures.
illegal immigrants in the uk do not get benefits and have to either fend for themselves or get deported to where they came from if they can indeed find out where they came from. a lot of them pretend to not speak english or any other language. i believe we should have never joined the EU, it does not allow for free trade between members when countries like italy are taking the piss by making people from the EU pay 1 euro per day in "tourist tax!" wtf is that all about!
i would personally tighten security ten fold and fine france for every illegal immigrant that was trying to make it over from their country as they let them in in the first place. im sure france would soon change its stance on people crossing into its country and maybe that would then get all their neighbours to pull their fingers out too!
illegal immigrants in the uk do not get benefits and have to either fend for themselves or get deported to where they came from if they can indeed find out where they came from. a lot of them pretend to not speak english or any other language. i believe we should have never joined the EU, it does not allow for free trade between members when countries like italy are taking the piss by making people from the EU pay 1 euro per day in "tourist tax!" wtf is that all about!
i would personally tighten security ten fold and fine france for every illegal immigrant that was trying to make it over from their country as they let them in in the first place. im sure france would soon change its stance on people crossing into its country and maybe that would then get all their neighbours to pull their fingers out too!
Some of these people may be facing persecution or danger in their home countries, I accept that, but surely if they want to claim asylum they should do so in the first 'friendly' country they arrive in!
They travel right across Europe through lots of 'friendly' countries but want to get to the UK before they mention 'asylum' then it costs us a fortune to process them
They travel right across Europe through lots of 'friendly' countries but want to get to the UK before they mention 'asylum' then it costs us a fortune to process them
The problem is other countries across Europe are letting these people in probably knowing they won't stay and want to get to the UK. The French for me are a disgrace and appear not to give a stuff, EU community at its best. Should we let these people in? Hell no, not with our imigration record, who knows who these people are.
Tim.
Tim.