Michelin Super Sport?

I'm pretty sure they are still being made, but only certain sizes for BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari and possibly more.

Last time I looked even the older PS2 was still available for certain Porsche models.
 
Jellyfishfields said:
I'm pretty sure they are still being made, but only certain sizes for BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari and possibly more.

Last time I looked even the older PS2 was still available for certain Porsche models.
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That makes sense as these marques have specific approvals e.g. Porsche's 'N' ratings for certain tyres which are required to maintain Porsche warranty.

Although a savvy buyer won't be opting for these old models as tyre technology moves on. Makes no sense to opt for a PS2 today - it was launched in 2004.
 
Jellyfishfields said:
I'm pretty sure they are still being made, but only certain sizes for BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari and possibly more.
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Michelin state available in 80 sizes and you can have them with self sealing technology :thumbsup:
 
Mr Tidy said:
buzyg said:
I gather the ///MR is a more tractable beast than the ///MC in bad and bumpy conditions. So maybe an ///MR instead of a Hearst.
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Rather a Hearst than a pram-top. :P :thumbsup:
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I wonder if you can get MPSS for Silver Cross. Good to start em early. :D :driving:
 
Busterboo said:
Any experience of Michelin Super Sport, please?
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For a 35is I’d go with the new Conti Sports 7..suits the E89 chassis better than MP4S…MPSS is an obsolete tyre now…G29 specific version accepted..
 
B21 said:
Busterboo said:
Any experience of Michelin Super Sport, please?
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For a 35is I’d go with the new Conti Sports 7..suits the E89 chassis better than MP4S…MPSS is an obsolete tyre now…G29 specific version accepted..
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That would make it obsolescent then. :wink: :poke:
 
I have the MPSS on my Focus RS, terrible tyre, tramlines line buggery, hugely sensitive to batch variation on the same axle. For sure grip is okay in the dry, but it's 4WD anyway! Can't wait to get rid of the things, even though OEM fit they doesn't suit the car.
Have P4S on my GR Yaris and Rear of the 35iS yes very noisy, tremendous grip in most conditions.
I will be going latest Goodyear Eagle next time I buy, or maybe Continental.
 
sars said:
The star marked MPSS fitted to the G29 is exceptional, however it only comes in two sizes 255 and 275, this tyre was developed by BMW and Michelin for the last M3 and M4 with a tailored specific compound. I ran MPS4S on the SL and I would say that the characteristics are similar to the star marked MPSS

http://mb.cision.com/Public/55/9611994/9d4a72eac382d2be.pdf
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Normally star marked tyres for bmw are for 4wd vehicles with staggered fitment. The star mark tyres are supposedly to ensure the rolling diameter of the staggered size tyres match so not to cause problems with the transfer box.
 
Nictrix said:
sars said:
The star marked MPSS fitted to the G29 is exceptional, however it only comes in two sizes 255 and 275, this tyre was developed by BMW and Michelin for the last M3 and M4 with a tailored specific compound. I ran MPS4S on the SL and I would say that the characteristics are similar to the star marked MPSS

http://mb.cision.com/Public/55/9611994/9d4a72eac382d2be.pdf
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Normally star marked tyres for bmw are for 4wd vehicles with staggered fitment. The star mark tyres are supposedly to ensure the rolling diameter of the staggered size tyres match so not to cause problems with the transfer box.
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Maybe you didn't read the link supplied, the BMW star marked MPSS was developed for the F80 M3 and F82/83 M4, which was RWD. BMW star marked tyres developed with tyre manufacturers are done for a number of reasons, I'm not sure that better tolerancing on a tyre that has a wide range of operating characteristics (pressure, temperature and wear) is one of them. Think about it, any vehicle that cannot handle a 10mm diameter difference between axels is just a lawsuit waiting to happen as it is a completely foreseeable. Yes BMW had an issue with the transfer box on the original xDrive and it was blamed on tyre sizes by dealers, however it was more likely a design flaw.
 
Wasn't there a recall on the MPSS? I think maybe the difference in opinions may well be down to this? Could be wrong.

I may well be in the minority here.

I bought a set of MPS4S for the Z4M in about March this year. They are a fabulous tyre no doubt but it has changed the characteristics of the car somewhat. I had VRED Ultrac Sessantas on before and loved them, they were sticky enough but allowed for the tail happy character of the car which was incredibly manageable.

The MPS4S has killed all of that, 343hp isnt much these days really and most hot hatches are putting out as much if not more.

Considering most high end sports cars are in the 400-600hp range and a lot heavier I think these new gen tyres are a bit over tyred for this generation of M car.

I know we are talking E89 but I would advise caution, if its a higher HP model then may be ok but might dull a lower powered car. One of those HP has increased hugely over the last 10 years and cars that are of that age may benefit with being in a more mid tier tyre.

Depends on your driving style but the M cars have always been tail happy and part of the experience is exactly that. These tyres have changed the characteristics. As the Z4M isnt really the sharpest turn in anyway a dab of throttle corrected nicely and now from my experience it has made the car feel a bit blunt and not as fun to drive.

When you take traction control off yes it can slip but you have to work hard to make it move. Reminds me of the 987 Boxster I owned in terms of stickiness without the surgical knife precision in the corners.

The super sports I had on the 224s are stickier than the VREDs but still allowed a bit of play but I bought the car and did about 300 miles before swapping for my CSLs with VEREDs

When these are done I think I will be looking into another tyre unless they start to loosen up which they may do, I think ive done about 2500 miles and the VREDs were 6 years old and had done about 12k getting low when I got rid about 4mm. I do remember them being very good when I got them new on my Z4MC tho.
 
Interesting point made above. Could try adding PSI into your rear tyres to re-introduce some tail-happiness.
 
I have had Michelin PSSs BMW * rated on our 240i. They are a good tyre. Much better than the runflats it had on (by mistake) when I bought it. I got the dealer to change them immediately as RFTs weren't fitted to the 240i. Anyway, FWIW I have also more recently had Michelin PS5s and they seem to be slightly better in normal driving circumstances. As somebody said earlier the tyre technology between the two is about 10 years. I haven't tried MPS4s though.
 
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