Michelin Pilot Super Sport

Angus McCoatup

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 Cumbria
Well, after a great deal of deliberation, I took the plunge and had four of these fitted yesterday.

I've only driven about 25 miles on them so far, which has been made up of a short trip home through traffic after fitting, followed by a fairly restrained 20 or so miles after I'd washed all the stuff off the tyres and wheels.

The first and most apparent difference compared to the original CSC M3s is the difference in the ride. It seems the Michelins absorb much more of the shock, and the ride is noticeably less 'crashy' when driving over grids, uneven joins in poorly repaired roads and the like. Also the car seems less 'jiggly' (please stop me if I'm getting too technical) on undulating surfaces. This wasn't something I expected to find in a tyre like this, and although I was happy with the ride before, the improvement in refinement is nice.

Although the Continentals don't have the same reputation for tramlining as the RFTs on non-Ms, the Michelins seem less inclined to follow every rut in the road. But the steering still feels sharp and the car still feels very responsive to inputs. And the 'characteristic' drift to the left is less noticeable (mine wasn't too bad before though).

I've not yet done the sort of driving that enables me to comment on grip and braking (and I'm probably not a good enough driver to fully exploit the improvements these tyres are said to give). But even on tyres straight out of the mould, the car feels reassuringly planted. Also there's been no rain in these parts for a day or so (wahey :D ) so I can't comment on their behaviour in the wet.

Not sure how much of the above is the placebo effect of having new tyres, but my first impressions are that they have made a noticeable improvement to the car.

As a result of the change, I have two 225/45/18 CSC M3s knocking around in my garage. They've done around 14,000 miles (all but 800 by me) have around 5 mm of tread all around and are in good condition (no kerbing and no repairs). I'll put these in the Buy and Sell section when I've measured tread depth properly and taken photos. But if anyone is interested in the meantime, please let me know.
 
Hi ga41 - I went for 225/45/18 on the front and 265/40/18 on the back.

The main reason I took so long to decide on tyres was the huge difficulty I had in finding a tyre I wanted that came in OEM sizes for both the front and rear of the M. Unfortunately the PSS was no exception. But I thought the rear was close enough to original (it's only around 8mm bigger in diameter) to make no difference and, in the limited miles I've done so far, I've only noticed good things about the change.

The other benefit of the 265 rear on original wheels is that it seems to offer a bit more rim protection. Not that I'm planning on putting that to use, but you never know.
 
hi angus i got a free set of SS in csl sizes after winning the michelin competition, after testing these tyres on the bmw, audi and porche range im quite literally blown away by how good these things are, michelin have got a road tyre so close to cup performance in the dry, great charater in the rain and with a Full 8mm tread, cant go wrong, fabulous tyres BUT..... as with everything top end, eye wateringly expensive, i have no doubt these made a huge difference to your car.
 
Sound good! As above i imagine in 19's i'll need to eat rice and pasta for a month!

I miss my Michelins, the Vreds haven't been as good imo!
 
In the US the PSS are available for our stock sizes. In the UK they are not. :headbang:

I'm thinking 245/45/18 fronts and 265/40/18 rears for my stock wheels. I know they can be had 225/45/18 fronts but i dont want to keep a stock width front and have a wider rear...
 
They are as good in the wet as the CSC3 was in the dry - worth every penny :thumbsup:

Not sure I'd be happy paying £350 for the 19" CSL-sized rears though :o
 
Yikes!!! £350! I can't really justify that, now when i rarely do more than 40mph in traffic each day!

Are they like the Cup tyres, i.e 4-5mm as opposed to 8?
 
Aliv6 said:
Yikes!!! £350! I can't really justify that, now when i rarely do more than 40mph in traffic each day!

Are they like the Cup tyres, i.e 4-5mm as opposed to 8?
No, they're a full 8mm, so they work on the wet a lot better than Cup ever did. Think of them more as a Cup Wet or Cup Plus.

There's seems to be a shortage of that size anyway, as even Costco are reporting a 6-8 week backlog. Although Camskill have both 265/35r19 (£334) and 265/30r19 (£286) in stock - and at that price, which be due to shortage?

The 265/35r19 has a slightly bigger diameter/circumference than a standard 255/40r18. The 265/30r19 size is cheaper but slightly smaller than OE.
 
Im not at all happy with my Vreds feel loose not confident with the car at high speeds.
They may get better with use only done 2k no more than that.
Will increase tyre pressures this weekend and see what happens.
Was thinking of getting these tyres but at £1240 might give the vreds a bit longer :!:
 
Animal said:
Im not at all happy with my Vreds feel loose not confident with the car at high speeds.
They may get better with use only done 2k no more than that.
Will increase tyre pressures this weekend and see what happens.
Was thinking of getting these tyres but at £1240 might give the vreds a bit longer :!:

I personally love Ultrac Sessantas and i've had 2 front sets and 3 rears. They do feel floaty at first, give them some time. I simply want to try something better now.
 
Animal said:
Im not at all happy with my Vreds feel loose not confident with the car at high speeds.
They may get better with use only done 2k no more than that.
Will increase tyre pressures this weekend and see what happens.
Was thinking of getting these tyres but at £1240 might give the vreds a bit longer :!:

Give them time they are horrible when new.
 
There 4 months old but mileage not noted unfortunatly ive only covered 3k in the car since ive owned it so 2k would be maximum milage. :)
 
Beedub said:
hi angus i got a free set of SS in csl sizes after winning the michelin competition, after testing these tyres on the bmw, audi and porche range im quite literally blown away by how good these things are, michelin have got a road tyre so close to cup performance in the dry, great charater in the rain and with a Full 8mm tread, cant go wrong, fabulous tyres BUT..... as with everything top end, eye wateringly expensive, i have no doubt these made a huge difference to your car.

:) Very nice - that's a great prize to have won Beedub. Yes, I have to say they weren't cheap and my eyes are still watering. But because I'm still on standard 18 inch wheels, I haven't needed quite as much Kleenex as someone with CSLs who hadn't won a competition. Plus I don't do huge mileages in the car, so the fronts should last for ages and, if the wear rate is no worse than the Continentals, I should get at least 2 years from the rears.

Aliv6 said:
Sound good! As above i imagine in 19's i'll need to eat rice and pasta for a month!

I miss my Michelins, the Vreds haven't been as good imo!

Yep! :D and it's not much better on 18s - the full set was £940 all in. Time to dig out those cheap old pasta sauce recipes.

ga41 said:
In the US the PSS are available for our stock sizes. In the UK they are not. :headbang:

I'm thinking 245/45/18 fronts and 265/40/18 rears for my stock wheels. I know they can be had 225/45/18 fronts but i dont want to keep a stock width front and have a wider rear...

Yep, it's a real pain. I would like to have kept a similar width ratio front/rear, and would have waited for them to have made a stock sized rear if I'd had more tread left on the Continentals. This seemed the best compromise to me (not that I'm an expert). The only thing I'd say is that even going for a tyre that is just 10mm wider, it's amazing how much more the wheel seems to be sunk within the tyre and to protrude from the wheel arches. I'm not sure I'd want to go 20mm wider on original wheels.

mmm-five said:
They are as good in the wet as the CSC3 was in the dry - worth every penny :thumbsup:

Not sure I'd be happy paying £350 for the 19" CSL-sized rears though :o

That's good to know about wet grip mmm-five and, expensive though they were, I agree that they do seem worth it. But £350 for each rear :o now, that would really hurt.

Animal said:
Im not at all happy with my Vreds feel loose not confident with the car at high speeds.
They may get better with use only done 2k no more than that.
Will increase tyre pressures this weekend and see what happens.
Was thinking of getting these tyres but at £1240 might give the vreds a bit longer :!:

Shouldn't be quite so steep if you're still on 18s Animal (like it looks in your avatar). Might be worth getting the best out of the Vreds first though and I hope you start to feel happier with them soon.
 
You sure it's the tyres then, your geo could be a mess. My exerience with Vreds is that they take a bit of time to bed in, then they work great far better than the oe Contis and far better value than Michelin.

I'm on my 2nd rear set but have to admit the first 500 miles were a bit odd.
 
Animal said:
Im not at all happy with my Vreds feel loose not confident with the car at high speeds.
They may get better with use only done 2k no more than that.
Will increase tyre pressures this weekend and see what happens.
Was thinking of getting these tyres but at £1240 might give the vreds a bit longer :!:

Agreed! Also not a great looking tyre, i don't like the shoulder on them. far prefer the square Michelins.
 
Done 300 miles this weekend i increased my pressures 33f/35r much improved less scary at speed and less likely to tramline unless on really bad roads.
I have alot more confidence in the car now suspension is a tad firmer and you feel the cats eyes more.
I assume the tyres were moving on the rims?
Cheers :thumbsup:
 
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