McLaren 570s

But using that argument BMW and Mercedes are no lesser pedigree than Porsche, which I can see the Porsche afficionados choking on their cake over. Both have been or are competing at the highest level in Motorsport and both are current champions (BMW -DTM, Mercedes - F1). Both have been involved in some of the most iconic road cars ever too (either producing them or powering them).

I just don't see a volume mass produced model like a 911 in the same category as a McLaren at all. It's like comparing a nice off the peg designer label suit with a Saville Row suit. There are brand hierarchies in cars like in other industries - and Porsche's top end is Mclaren's bottom end.
 
OG - agreed.

For this money, the loud noisy choice is the v12vs, the techno supercar choice is the mclaren, for me at least.


I'm not 100% on the design tho, i think i prefer the 650s in looks terms.
 
I might be in the minority, but I'm not overly keen on the design. That rear end is way too fussy for my tastes. Not a huge fan of the design of mid-engined supercars in general, but I think the 458 is much nicer looking car. I'd stick with my front-engine, rear drive GT cars thanks :)
 
jimmybell said:
I'm not 100% on the design tho, i think i prefer the 650s in looks terms.
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+1. May just be the paint job on that car but it's not the best looking McClaren. Prefer the 650's looks for sure. 8)
 
MCL are just killing it now imo/// the 570S becoming one real world dream car that could be with alittle luck and hardwork!

i love their direction nd finally the cars are getting the praise they deserve MCL are taking over the supercar game slowly and surely!
 
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mclaren/570s/91731/you-can-now-buy-a-mclaren-570s-for-995-per-month

They're definately attacking the 'affordable' range, bringing the supercar to the demographic that's not in the millions in the same way as porsche and ferrari have. Whilst I'm anti car financing and would never do it again, that's the same amount as I was paying for my Z4M a month at one point (deposits aside) which is an astonishing concept!
 
original guvnor said:
But using that argument BMW and Mercedes are no lesser pedigree than Porsche, which I can see the Porsche afficionados choking on their cake over. Both have been or are competing at the highest level in Motorsport and both are current champions (BMW -DTM, Mercedes - F1). Both have been involved in some of the most iconic road cars ever too (either producing them or powering them).

I just don't see a volume mass produced model like a 911 in the same category as a McLaren at all. It's like comparing a nice off the peg designer label suit with a Saville Row suit. There are brand hierarchies in cars like in other industries - and Porsche's top end is Mclaren's bottom end.
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Saville Row OG..... McLaren is Hugo Boss at best :D

To be honest i dont think in terms of pedigree you could argue that Porsche are at a higher pedigree than Mercedes considering their background in Motorsport and the building of classic and future classics.

McLaren are a a very interesting brand but the residuals are not quite there yet look at what you pick a nice 12C up for compared with a 997 GT3 RS :D . I think they are great at what they are used to making full blown super cars .

my gripe with the 570S is it says its an everyday supercar ...but it has almost zero luggage space and is a right pain to get out of - now a 675LT now your talking.

I see a top 5 vote coming on
 
Rob,

You chose your comparison carefully - comparing Mclaren's first effort (and least desirable) in their new model range with just about the most desirable P car. One is a very young manufacturer and one's been at it for nearly three quarters of a century.

The 570s is a lot easier to get in than their other cars.

My argument wasn't meant to be anti-Porsche. I love the 911. It was just that McLaren customers on the whole would not even consider a 911 Turbo S as a potential alternative. It's a different brand altogether with a very different demographic.
 
He He... but is an uncomfortable truth in the argument , the F1 is iconic probably with the F40 the only car in the last 50 years that has gone close to the 250 GTO.

The 570 is a high end Sports car without a limited release they are offering it on PCP....

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/mclaren/mclaren-launches-finance-deals-own-a-570s-for-995-a-month/

as is the turbo S
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo-s/finance/

even the boys on the Mclaren Forums are not convinced....

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-mp4-12c/38225-would-you-trade-12c-570s.html


and compare it with other sportscars rather than supercars

The demographic for the 570 is the same as for the Turbo S customer, R8V10 it is not the 981 Cayman customer , she or he will look at the comparable cars in the market place , from what i can see it won't be current Mclaren owners are going to downgrade (their words not mine) to this model- so the customer is going to have to be taken from this group - its why its interesting to Mclaren as its a new customer to them and shouldn't take sales way from the 650/675.

I accept its a different demographic to the GT3RS, these are not available on PCP - these are simply not available to the General Purchaser full stop - to be fair the 675 LT fits in this type of car as well .

Mclaren as a brand are great they turn up at every sportscar meet up here in scotland with two to three cars and are keen to push their brand to the market - but there business model is to target high end Porsche and R8 customers with this model as well as certainly some disaffected Aston martin customers - as they seek to build volume up to the 4000 unit target, But they are not Pagani or as yet Ferrari - hopefully they will be.
 
Jaw said:
Whilst I'm anti car financing and would never do it again, that's the same amount as I was paying for my Z4M ...
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Why's that?

I think these days depreciation is much more predictable (and on rarer cars like the higher end mclarens its more like appreciation... Thus financing makes a lot more sense on the more expensive stuff - better to be paying monthly with a little deposit and reap the rewards of investing the cash elsewhere surely? (unless the car appreciates...)
 
ZermattV said:
He He... but is an uncomfortable truth in the argument , the F1 is iconic probably with the F40 the only car in the last 50 years that has gone close to the 250 GTO.

The 570 is a high end Sports car without a limited release they are offering it on PCP....

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/mclaren/mclaren-launches-finance-deals-own-a-570s-for-995-a-month/

as is the turbo S
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo-s/finance/

even the boys on the Mclaren Forums are not convinced....

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-mp4-12c/38225-would-you-trade-12c-570s.html


and compare it with other sportscars rather than supercars

The demographic for the 570 is the same as for the Turbo S customer, R8V10 it is not the 981 Cayman customer , she or he will look at the comparable cars in the market place , from what i can see it won't be current Mclaren owners are going to downgrade (their words not mine) to this model- so the customer is going to have to be taken from this group - its why its interesting to Mclaren as its a new customer to them and shouldn't take sales way from the 650/675.

I accept its a different demographic to the GT3RS, these are not available on PCP - these are simply not available to the General Purchaser full stop - to be fair the 675 LT fits in this type of car as well .

Mclaren as a brand are great they turn up at every sportscar meet up here in scotland with two to three cars and are keen to push their brand to the market - but there business model is to target high end Porsche and R8 customers with this model as well as certainly some disaffected Aston martin customers - as they seek to build volume up to the 4000 unit target, But they are not Pagani or as yet Ferrari - hopefully they will be.
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Yes I agree they'll be looking to poach potential Turbo S and R8 buyers (and probably V12 Vantage, Bentley Continental owners too). However I'm not surprised existing McLaren owners are poo-pooing it - just like 911 owners have always looked down on Cayman and Boxster models. It's because it's the "entry level" car and cheaper than their cars by a good £50k. My point still stands though - one of these is going to cost £160k once you've ticked even a few options (nobody will buy a poverty spec example) so they are creaming the upper echelon of Porsche customer because in hierarchical terms - the McLaren brand is more "exotic" - it isn't churning out Macan's (or tarted up Q5's more like) for example.
 
jimmybell said:
Jaw said:
Whilst I'm anti car financing and would never do it again, that's the same amount as I was paying for my Z4M ...
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Why's that?

I think these days depreciation is much more predictable (and on rarer cars like the higher end mclarens its more like appreciation... Thus financing makes a lot more sense on the more expensive stuff - better to be paying monthly with a little deposit and reap the rewards of investing the cash elsewhere surely? (unless the car appreciates...)
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I guess it depends what you're gonna use the cash for. If you're going to receive the same return as the interest then it's hard to see it as anything but a good choice; similarly if you don't have additional savings to carry out in case of emergency it seems the wiser way.

Me, personally I begrudge paying interest or monthly outgoings in general. I like the comfort of knowing that if push comes to shove it's not another payment I need to make if I want to keep a car etc, and I guess more than anything just a personal feeling of 'owning' the car as opposed to it not feeling mine under finance I Guess.. my head would often say finance my heart wouldn't want to silly as it may be..
 
Goodstuff OG I think we kind of agree - the following was a good review i thought https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/drives-and-rides/review-mclaren-570s-should-the-911-be-scared.

Enjoyed chewing the fat with you on this one :thumbsup: its a valid point regarding the brand value of Mclaren - a lot of varied opinions on it.
 
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